JAS can not provide proof that Srila Prabhupada didn't intended to continue to be everyone's guru Acharya
JAS can never proof a negative.
@williamscott30 by the way brother I had enough strong knowledge and understanding of Vedic vaishnav Preaching system and Indian vedic society and vaishnav Parampara's conclusion
And I have deep Respect for Prabhupada ji and his current disciples who are tirelessly Working Hard to Preach Krishna's divine message , I had personally met many of them in New Delhi
JAS can not provide proof that Srila Prabhupada didn't intended to continue to be everyone's guru Acharya
JAS can never proof a negative.
@williamscott30 dear sir, yes I am shri sampradaya, but I know my Indian Vedic culture amd Vaishnav Sampradaya and system of Guru Disciple Parampara
Which is common in all vaishnav tradition, and it must be same
Yes there is no difference in Guru murti and Guru himself but that does not mean one can take diksha guru Guru Murti
Guru tests checks or examines that is the student qualified or not then he accept him
Brother Guru makes disciples to continue a Parampara for preaching if your Prabhupada would have wanted a Ritik parampara then he must have followed during his whole time and rather then making own disciples he would have made disciples of his Guru through Ritvik systems
In my Parampara our there are helper acharyas(ritviks) who help Guru in many things according to Gurus order and when Guru disappears then they Preach on the behalf of their Guru and Continue Guru Parampara as it had been done by their predecessors
One should become qualified and accept Disciples, it's vedic system
JAS can not provide proof that Srila Prabhupada didn't intended to continue to be everyone's guru Acharya
JAS can never proof a negative.
@williamscott30 No Problem with respected Mohammad & Jesus's , but the reality & History of abrahmic religions which we have seen as an Indian is full of brutality( we have lived under their Rule ) and these things just came after disappearance of their leaders , people started exactly like ritviks and deviated from true message that's all because everyone spiritual thought that they have relationship with their founder directly and Not had an authorised parampara abd then came people own material motivations which destroyed everything( this is My as an Indian's perspective of abrahmics )
JAS can not provide proof that Srila Prabhupada didn't intended to continue to be everyone's guru Acharya
JAS can never proof a negative.
@williamscott30 My dear Acharyas don't come to Stop Paramparas but to restore it with more strength by making disciples and allowing them to make disciples
You can have discussion with acharyas of Other vaishnav sampradayas in India , No will accept this type of Ritvik systems,
If one have to continue Ritviksm then better to prefer directly to Take initiation from Bhagvan Krsna himself
Do not be fool brother Guru & Continued Guru disciple Parampara is Most important and Highly required in Vedic Culture
No Acharya have ever Put full stop on Guru Parampara System in Indian History
JAS can not provide proof that Srila Prabhupada didn't intended to continue to be everyone's guru Acharya
JAS can never proof a negative.
You all who have no idea of about Indian Guru Parampara system are exactly ill minded
There have no many guru paramparas in india since time immorial but there has been no, in which one takes initiation from Guru Deity , This idea is exactly like Abrahmic Religions
I am not advocating iskcon but advocating to Guru Parampara i just heard about iskcon's fraction who gives Diksha from Guru Deity, btw i am from Ramanand Shri Sampradaya
What are your idea of qualification of Guru?
One must become Guru, one should follow guru's orders exactly and make disciples
There are still many bonafide spiritual Gurus of Shri, Bramha sampradayas who are preaching Vedic knowledge abd having staunch Guru Parampara system
Taking Initiation from a Guru Murti can never be accepted in indian culture
Ritvik system will disappear in future very soon. They are just group of devotees who are reluctant to accept teachings of Srila Prabhupada and our previous Acharya.
@Vigilante1944You all who have no idea of about Indian Guru Parampara system are exactly ill minded
There have no many guru paramparas in india since time immorial but there has been no, in which one takes initiation from Guru Deity , This idea is exactly like Abrahmic Religions
I am not advocating iskcon but advocating to Guru Parampara i just heard about iskcon's fraction who gives Diksha from Guru Deity, btw i am from Ramanand Shri Sampradaya
What are your idea of qualification of Guru?
One must become Guru, one should follow guru's orders exactly and make disciples
There are still many bonafide spiritual Gurus of Shri, Bramha sampradayas who are preaching Vedic knowledge abd having staunch Guru Parampara system
Taking Initiation from a Guru Murti can never be accepted in indian culture
Ritviks are not able to give answer. Ofcourse they love to play with cherry picked quotes!
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?
Why? Why? Why?
Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!
75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.”
68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta
"Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."
From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that “this is my program.” The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… “Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”
Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: “There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus.” It is the statement of a crazy fellow.
@ElFresco214You all who have no idea of about Indian Guru Parampara system are exactly ill minded
There have no many guru paramparas in india since time immorial but there has been no, in which one takes initiation from Guru Deity , This idea is exactly like Abrahmic Religions
I am not advocating iskcon but advocating to Guru Parampara i just heard about iskcon's fraction who gives Diksha from Guru Deity, btw i am from Ramanand Shri Sampradaya
What are your idea of qualification of Guru?
One must become Guru, one should follow guru's orders exactly and make disciples
There are still many bonafide spiritual Gurus of Shri, Bramha sampradayas who are preaching Vedic knowledge abd having staunch Guru Parampara system
Taking Initiation from a Guru Murti can never be accepted in indian culture
Not ritvik system, but also no appointment of gurus, as the same Tamal Krishna G declared. Guru after Prabhupada, yes but only those who have the qualification, that are very clearly presented in his divine grace books, like this one for example: ... vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ krodha-vegaṁ jihvā-vegam udaropastha-vegam etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ sarvām apīmāṁ pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt A sober person who can tolerate the urge to speak, the mind’s demands, the actions of anger and the urges of the tongue, belly and genitals is qualified to make disciples all over the world.
You all who have no idea of about Indian Guru Parampara system are exactly ill minded
There have no many guru paramparas in india since time immorial but there has been no, in which one takes initiation from Guru Deity , This idea is exactly like Abrahmic Religions
I am not advocating iskcon but advocating to Guru Parampara i just heard about iskcon's fraction who gives Diksha from Guru Deity, btw i am from Ramanand Shri Sampradaya
What are your idea of qualification of Guru?
One must become Guru, one should follow guru's orders exactly and make disciples
There are still many bonafide spiritual Gurus of Shri, Bramha sampradayas who are preaching Vedic knowledge abd having staunch Guru Parampara system
Taking Initiation from a Guru Murti can never be accepted in indian culture
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JAS can never proof a negative.
And I have deep Respect for Prabhupada ji and his current disciples who are tirelessly Working Hard to Preach Krishna's divine message , I had personally met many of them in New Delhi
Jai Shri Ram Dear friend
JAS can never proof a negative.
Which is common in all vaishnav tradition, and it must be same
Yes there is no difference in Guru murti and Guru himself but that does not mean one can take diksha guru Guru Murti
Guru tests checks or examines that is the student qualified or not then he accept him
Brother Guru makes disciples to continue a Parampara for preaching if your Prabhupada would have wanted a Ritik parampara then he must have followed during his whole time and rather then making own disciples he would have made disciples of his Guru through Ritvik systems
In my Parampara our there are helper acharyas(ritviks) who help Guru in many things according to Gurus order and when Guru disappears then they Preach on the behalf of their Guru and Continue Guru Parampara as it had been done by their predecessors
One should become qualified and accept Disciples, it's vedic system
JAS can never proof a negative.
Everywhere there had been Guru Disciple Parampara in Indian vedic history, No Where anyone accepted Deity as Guru
One Must become qualified and accept Disciples and keep progressing ahead and help his disciples by teaching them his Guru's & Krsna's message
JAS can never proof a negative.
JAS can never proof a negative.
You can have discussion with acharyas of Other vaishnav sampradayas in India , No will accept this type of Ritvik systems,
If one have to continue Ritviksm then better to prefer directly to Take initiation from Bhagvan Krsna himself
Do not be fool brother Guru & Continued Guru disciple Parampara is Most important and Highly required in Vedic Culture
No Acharya have ever Put full stop on Guru Parampara System in Indian History
JAS can never proof a negative.
JAS can never proof a negative.
JAS can never proof a negative.
There have no many guru paramparas in india since time immorial but there has been no, in which one takes initiation from Guru Deity , This idea is exactly like Abrahmic Religions
I am not advocating iskcon but advocating to Guru Parampara i just heard about iskcon's fraction who gives Diksha from Guru Deity, btw i am from Ramanand Shri Sampradaya
What are your idea of qualification of Guru?
One must become Guru, one should follow guru's orders exactly and make disciples
There are still many bonafide spiritual Gurus of Shri, Bramha sampradayas who are preaching Vedic knowledge abd having staunch Guru Parampara system
Taking Initiation from a Guru Murti can never be accepted in indian culture
There have no many guru paramparas in india since time immorial but there has been no, in which one takes initiation from Guru Deity , This idea is exactly like Abrahmic Religions
I am not advocating iskcon but advocating to Guru Parampara i just heard about iskcon's fraction who gives Diksha from Guru Deity, btw i am from Ramanand Shri Sampradaya
What are your idea of qualification of Guru?
One must become Guru, one should follow guru's orders exactly and make disciples
There are still many bonafide spiritual Gurus of Shri, Bramha sampradayas who are preaching Vedic knowledge abd having staunch Guru Parampara system
Taking Initiation from a Guru Murti can never be accepted in indian culture
Ritviks are not able to give answer. Ofcourse they love to play with cherry picked quotes!
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?
Why? Why? Why?
Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!
75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.”
68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta
"Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."
From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that “this is my program.” The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… “Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”
Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: “There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus.” It is the statement of a crazy fellow.
There have no many guru paramparas in india since time immorial but there has been no, in which one takes initiation from Guru Deity , This idea is exactly like Abrahmic Religions
I am not advocating iskcon but advocating to Guru Parampara i just heard about iskcon's fraction who gives Diksha from Guru Deity, btw i am from Ramanand Shri Sampradaya
What are your idea of qualification of Guru?
One must become Guru, one should follow guru's orders exactly and make disciples
There are still many bonafide spiritual Gurus of Shri, Bramha sampradayas who are preaching Vedic knowledge abd having staunch Guru Parampara system
Taking Initiation from a Guru Murti can never be accepted in indian culture
Yes , Guru Parampara must be there , I come in contact of Krsna devotees just some time ago
Even before this i can say that in indian society one not accept idea of Taking Diksha from Guru Deity
Even false Guru also give diksha when they are living and after them their Student give diksha😂
But actually this is the System of Guru Parampara
But one should follow strongly to Guru's orders
There have no many guru paramparas in india since time immorial but there has been no, in which one takes initiation from Guru Deity , This idea is exactly like Abrahmic Religions
I am not advocating iskcon but advocating to Guru Parampara i just heard about iskcon's fraction who gives Diksha from Guru Deity, btw i am from Ramanand Shri Sampradaya
What are your idea of qualification of Guru?
One must become Guru, one should follow guru's orders exactly and make disciples
There are still many bonafide spiritual Gurus of Shri, Bramha sampradayas who are preaching Vedic knowledge abd having staunch Guru Parampara system
Taking Initiation from a Guru Murti can never be accepted in indian culture