Madhupandit dasa authorise iskcon Bangalore gbc. Iskcon Bangalore gbc appointed madhupandit dasa as ritvik representative. Where is Srila Prabhupada order. Where is adhikar. What madhupandit dasa ask for order of prabhupada for diksha guru he fail to show for ritvik.
@DD-su5htSrila Prabhupada liked Hansdutta Maharaj very much he is in support of the Ritvik system....Tamal Krishna Maharaj in the openly confessed that Srila Prabhupada never asked anyone to become Diksha guru...whom do you wish to follow
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
@sadaharidashahahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣
How funny it is that none of your points are valid, you got no answer to one single question out of 4, the video you have shared I have very much given proof that how it is clipped but you are still calling Ritvik System as "Mayavad" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Please continue being blind and delusional!! The world does need some cheaters and blinds/cheated/Andh-Bhakta to follow them otherwise Kaliyug apna effect kaise dikhayega.... Prabhupada always said surrender with your intelligence don't surrender your intelligence....All the very best following the cheaters!!🤣🤣
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
Like this I can go one by one on each clip in that the video you have shared Prabhu and prove how they have been clipped to suit the needs of self made Gurus but no point like I said there's no solution for people who are closing their eyes and pretending to be blind....
May lord Krishna and Srila Prabhupada bless you with intelligence to discriminate what is right and what is wrong 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
Same goes with Satsvarupa Prabhu's reading, the video has been clipped to suit the needs:
Excerpts from 5th Sept 1969 Hamburg Vyas Puja Lecture:
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Spiritual master is not that a particular man is spiritual master. Spiritual master is a truth. So what is that truth? The truth is saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka-trāṇāya kāruṇya-ghanāghanatvam. The whole world is in the blaze of material pangs, threefold miseries. *And a person who is authorized to deliver people from that material pangs, he is called spiritual master.*
So the spiritual master's duty is to save the living entities who are so much embarrassed by the forest fire. That is the duty of spiritual master. Saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka.
So spiritual master means he must be just like the cloud. How it is possible? It is possible. It is possible in this way, provided he follows the disciplic succession of spiritual master. Then it is possible. He must inherit the power from the superior source. Then it is possible that by his teaching, by his lessons, the forest fire which is burning within our heart, it can be extinguished, and the person who receives such spiritual instruction bona fidely, he becomes satisfied. This is the process. So,
saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka-
trāṇāya kāruṇya-ghanāghanatvam
prāptasya kalyāṇa-guṇārṇavasya
vande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam **
Now, this spiritual master's succession is not very difficult. Of course, my students, they offer me so much respect, but all these respects are due to my spiritual master. I am nothing. I am just like peon. Just like peon delivers one letter. He is not responsible for what is written in that letter. He is not responsible for what is written in that letter. He simply delivers. But a peon's duty is that he must sincerely carry out the order of the postmaster and deliver the letter to the proper person. That is their duty. Similarly, this paramparā system is like that. Every one of us should become a spiritual master because the world is in blazing fire.
Spiritual master is not a new invention. It is simply following the orders of the spiritual master. So all my students present here who are feeling so much obliged... I am also obliged to them because they are helping me in this missionary work. At the same time, I shall request them all to become spiritual master. Every one of you should be spiritual master next. And what is their duty? Whatever you are hearing from me, whatever you are learning from me, you have to distribute the same in toto without any addition or alteration. Then all of you become the spiritual master. That is the science of becoming spiritual master
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"" Every one of you should be spiritual master next. And what is their duty? Whatever you are hearing from me, whatever you are learning from me, you have to distribute the same in toto without any addition or alteration. Then all of you become the spiritual master. That is the science of becoming spiritual master ""
Again any sane/intelligent man who reads this can tell what Prabhupada means by all of you become the spiritual master (Siksha Guru) and what process Prabhupada is telling to become spiritual master - *Whatever you are hearing from me, whatever you are learning from me, you have to distribute the same in toto without any addition or alteration.*
The video that you shared is from ISKCON Sankhari - the clipping of video itself is the proof of alternation of Prabhupada's teaching why the books are being edited when Prabhupada clearly asked to make no addition or alternation....
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
@sadaharidas
Indeed Naive and Gullible Prabhu!
Complete excerpt from Hari Sauri Dairy 7th March 1976:
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Prabhupāda surprised me when I entered his room at about 11 a.m. this morning to prepare for his massage. For almost half an hour he preached to me, explaining that he wants all his disciples to become gurus. Each of us is to make thousands of disciples just as he has and in this way spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness all over the world.
He didn’t seem to be speaking in general terms either, but directly to me. He seemed very enlivened at the prospect of spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness in this way.
In the evening, when the GBC men filed into his room to make their report about their day’s meeting, he brought up the same topic, before discussing their resolutions. He asked me to explain to everyone what he had said earlier. But when I hesitated, he did it himself, repeating in brief this principle of becoming guru.
He told them that just as he had made thousands of disciples he wants each one of them to make ten thousand each. He encouraged them to become increasingly more qualified and rise to the position of being spiritual masters. He stressed that this can be done only if they maintain spiritual strength by strictly following the four regulative principles and chanting the prescribed number of rounds.
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"He encouraged them to become increasingly more qualified and rise to the position of being spiritual masters."
Any sane/intelligent man who reads this can conclude that Prabhupada is expressing his desire that all his disciples to become guru and is encouraging them to become more and more qualified to attain that position.....that clearly doesn't mean he has ordered someone to become "Guru" because he see that person fit to become "Guru"
Read the very next day's dairy
Excerpt from Hari Sauri Dairy 8th March 1976:
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In the early morning Prabhupāda called Tamal Krishna Goswami into his room. He told him that Madhudviṣa Swami should be made GBC Vice Chairman for the year and that Gargamuni Swami should be given GBC responsibility.
Tamal Krishna Mahārāja replied that the GBC had already considered Gargamuni, but they decided not to appoint him because he does not regularly chant his rounds. Some of Gargamuni’s men have left him, complaining that his devotional standard is not strict.
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So Gargamuni Prabhu wasn't Chanting his rounds regularly and he was very much Prabhupada's disciple and if we use your logic/clipped videos he should have become spiritual master that too Diksha Guru (and not Siksha Guru or something) but dairy clearly said on 7th March -- "He encouraged them to become increasingly more qualified and rise to the position of being spiritual masters. *He stressed that this can be done only if they maintain spiritual strength by strictly following the four regulative principles and chanting the prescribed number of rounds.*"
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
@sadaharidassure Prabhuji I am very much open to hear what you are calling the original video. Although there are enough evidences of Tamal Krishna Maharaj himself changing his statements but I don't want to go there....
But before that proof just to ensure ISKCON people aren't naive (otherwise there's no point of believing a proof shared by another naive) can you please answer my 4 main questions Prabhu, it will be your mercy on fallen condition naive soul🙏🏻🙏🏻
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
This is the link of original vs edited confession of Tamal Krishna Maharaj (remove the spaces and paste it on Google). Use a bit of brain where the frame is cropped where the words and lipsing are not in sink....Hare Krishna 🙏🏻
https: // youtu . be /0V4RWIVlWGY ? si=eh5B_eRMgO5y3bYi
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
@sadaharidasprabhuji mahaan go to ISKCON Banglore, Gupt Vrindavan Dhaam, Hare Krishna Movement Mumbai youtube pages watch their video ab aapke liye itne saare videos ka description comment me kaise likhu.... Prabhupada ke khud ke signature hai us letter par ab aapke liye Prabhupada swayam aakar validity dekar jaaye us letter ki....isse jyada explicit proofs aur kaha se de jab aapke GBC ne hi recordings jala di hai (aapke Tamal Krishna Maharaj the very compiler of letter and GBC has put the pressure to burn tapes watch the confessions of personal assistant of Srila Prabhupada)
Jo aapko Tamal Krishna Maharaj ke disagreement waale videos dikhaye jaa rahe hai wo bhi edited hai watch his original video where he himself is agreeing to Ritvik system....who are the other devotees denying the one who has become Gurus themselves??
Aapke GBC me itna bhi Krishna ka fear nahi hai ki jis MahaBhagavat ne Krishna Consciousness preach karne ke itne efforts liye hai unke tapes jala rahe hai books edit kar rahe hai devotees ke confessions edit kar rahe hai
Humare paas ek letter ek room conversation to hai aapke proof non-existent kyu hai? Chalo maan bhi lo ki jitne proofs Ritviks de rahe hai wo aapke liye sufficient nahi hai to aapke proofs kaha hai you haven't answered a single question out of 4? And let's say you aren't able to produce a single explicit order from Srila Prabhupada supporting Guru system and you don't want to believe the proofs what Ritviks are providing? Which is more riskier? Surrendering to Srila Prabhupada through ineligible via or Surrendering to ineligible guru altogether... If you have sincere desire Srila Prabhupada will still accept you as his disciple irrespective of the eligibility of the via media because he is more merciful than lord himself who is Bhaav Grahi Janardhana but agar aap ineligible Guru ko surrender karte ho who will deliver you in that case????
Aap brain and common sense bhi use karte ho ya sirf Amogh Lila Prabhuji ko hi follow karte ho?
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
From the two quotes above, it is evident that an empowered spiritual master is not bound by material or mundane rules and regulations. Srila Prabhupada clearly states that tradition is also material.
Furthermore, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu affirms that an empowered spiritual master is not obligated to adhere to mundane conventions. Therefore, as an empowered Acharya, Srila Prabhupada had the authority to establish the Ritvik system—even if it is not found in traditional practice.
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
@sadaharidasif you still have doubts on the authority of Srila Prabhupada more references for you:
No. *Tradition*, religion they are all *material*. They are also all designations.
Ref : SP Room conversation, 13th March 1975 Tehran
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, “Both the Supreme Personality of Godhead and My spiritual master, Īśvara Purī, are *completely independent*. Therefore neither the mercy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead nor that of Īśvara Purī is *subject to any Vedic rules and regulations*.
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
How surprising it is that you are totally ok with a system that has got 0 proofs but questioning the system which has got atleast some proofs...
You are getting so offended at disrespect of some self made Gurus but you are totally ok with the blasphemy of Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada who literally has taken so much of pain to give us Krishna Consciousness....
All the information/mis-information, backers and offenders of Srila Prabhupada are in front of you but if you still want to ignore the facts and act blind to them I can't help more....
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
@sadaharidasstill waiting for an answer to 4 questions? : )
You will get the answer to your question if you are able to answer the 4 questions....where is reference of giving gayatri mantra on tape in vedas? You think Prabhupada deviated from Vedas? Very much yes because he is an empowered aacharya he can make temporary changes to Vedas based on time place and circumstances....And when I say temporary that means until the next empowered Aacharya comes (and not self made Gurus)....you have questions on him being empowered? You have questions on existence of July 9th letter? You have to deny that Ritvik system wasn't working when Prabhupada was physically present? You have questions on his decisions, abilities and capabilities as an empowered aacharya????? Do you think you have the capabilities to go through all the Vedas and counter Prabhupada that Prabhupada you haven't given any reference??? Vedas also recommended 64 rounds of chanting Prabhupada reduced it to 16??? Do you have doubts on that too??
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
My respects to every single "Vaishnav" the NOI very much outlines how a devotee should be treated, it instructs to even respect the ones who has name of lord on their tongue....
Our objection is against the blashphemers and disobeyers of HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada! And you indeed should also raise questions against the same where is your comment on Amogh Lila Prabhu's video? I very much saw his complete video he could had drived the point home without making fun of Shri Archa Vigraha of Srila Prabhupada, are you also ok with Srila Prabhupada's disrespect?🙏🏻🙏🏻
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
@sadaharidas who has written this comment "Ritviks are living under stone" who is blaspheming here? Have you seen all the Ritviks and their dedication towards Srila Prabhupada? No but you will blashpheme because that's what nonsense you are being fed with!
If you look at the entire picture without any bias Ritviks are the ones fighting for Srila Prabhupada whereas your GBC and Gurus want positions for themselves ( please question yourself in this fight what Ritviks have to gain and what your Gurus and GBC are gaining your conscience will have the answer).... that's what real dedication/giving life for Srila Prabhupada means!
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
@sadaharidas it's funny how you are quoting things which were never said....in your initial comments also you quoted things which Prabhupada never said and yet again you are quoting things which I never said where did I write that "Everyone wants to become guru"....
Sir, it was you who started commenting negative things about Ritviks and not us.... It very much explains who has negative thoughts only...
I very much go to ISKCON and I am very much aware of what's going on there ....Have you ever visited any of the Hare Krishna Movement/ISKCON Banglore/VCM centers? No but you still have an opinion about what we are being fed with!!
Dedicated their lives for Srila Prabhupada? Then why do they have so much issue in accepting Srila Prabhupada as the Diksha Guru why they want to take his position when he never ordered to do so?
Why are you beating around the bush answer my 4 simple questions:
1. Why do you believe that Gayatri Mantra was given on tape when there is no mention of it in any of Srila Prabhupada's lectures or purports but ask for proofs in lectures and purport for Ritvik System
2. Where is the direct order of Srila Prabhupada to become Diksha Guru
2. Diksha Guru means one who initiates by taking away all the past Karmas/Sins, name one Guru in ISKCON who claims to take away all the past Karmas/Sins and take you back to godhead
3. When Radhanath Swamiji is a Diksha Guru and you all are so much against the Ritvik system why does he say "On behalf of Srila Prabhupada" when giving the initiated names
Dedicated their lives, Sir what delusions are you living in?? why isn't Amogh Lila Prabhu banned yet when he clearly made fun of Sri Archa Vigraha of Srila Prabhupada why is there no apology from his side yet, your GBC is so ok with disrespect of HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada??
Gave their lives? Why are they burning his recorded tapes? Why are they editing his books? By not following Srila Prabhupada's order they are doing the biggest disservice to Srila Prabhupada!!
And when I say they I don't mean everyone single soul at ISKCON, I am sure many good people are being forced/trapped or are getting thrown out for not following the authorities....our problem is with your GBC and every self made Guru at ISKCON who is ok with disrespect of and taking place of our Spiritual Master HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada without authority! 🙏🏻
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
@sadaharidas who wants to become Diksha Guru "US" who wants name fame power and money "US" but who will wash our sins "That Srila Prabhupada will do" who will take us back to godhead "Srila Prabhupada"
Radhanath Swamiji in his initiation says "I give you so and so name on behalf of Srila Prabhupada" but what are Ritviks "Mayavadi" who is the Diksha Guru "Radhanath Swamiji"....
Srila Prabhupada made many statements throughout his books, lectures, and letters that strongly emphasize the need for a living guru, which directly refutes the posthumous “ritvik” initiation idea. Here are several direct quotes from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada that clearly contradict the ritvik philosophy:
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
@sadaharidasthere are enough proofs which Ritviks are presenting again and again , july 9th letter, july 19th room conversation, where are burnt recorded tapes of Srila Prabhupada, why isn't GBC answering to that since ages!!! there's no use of presenting anything to people who want to close their eyes and pretend to be blind.....
You don't worry but I am very much receptive and open to truth, if you/your institution is able to produce a "SINGLE" direct (non-ambiguous) order from Srila Prabhupada to become a Diksha Guru I will accept it as it is and will switch from Ritvik system....
Where is the mention of delivery of Gayatri Mantra through recorded tapes in Srila Prabhupada's lectures, purports or Gaudiya Madva philosophy but you all still believe it because it doesn't affect your institution's aim of name fame power and money..
Ok leave the order to become Diksha Guru aside....Diksha Guru means who can take all the sins....tell me a name of a "SINGLE" self-made ISKCON Guru who is claiming to take away all our sins and taking us back to godhead??????
Stop getting fooled or fooling people!! (whichever of the two you are doing time to stop)
Srila Prabhupad has mentioned hundreds of times about the Guru Parampara system in his purports . In NONE of his purports has he ever mentioned about the Rithwik system of disciple succession. Srila Prabhupada would very, very much want his followers to follow what is written in his purports. Srila Prabhupada ki Jai.
*Chain is broken when there are false spiritual masters. Otherwise it is not broken. (Morning Walk, 2/9/76)*
Srila Prabhupad has mentioned hundreds of times about the Guru Parampara system in his purports . In NONE of his purports has he ever mentioned about the Rithwik system of disciple succession. Srila Prabhupada would very, very much want his followers to follow what is written in his purports. Srila Prabhupada ki Jai.
If I depart, there is no cause for lamentation. I will always be with you through my books and my orders. I will always remain with you in that way.”
(Back To Godhead vol.13 01/02, 1978)
Where are the destroyed recordings of Srila Prabhupada why isn't GBC has ever answered that....why are changes being made to translations and purports written by Srila Prabhupada in the name of rectifying grammatical errors?
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
How funny it is that none of your points are valid, you got no answer to one single question out of 4, the video you have shared I have very much given proof that how it is clipped but you are still calling Ritvik System as "Mayavad" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Please continue being blind and delusional!! The world does need some cheaters and blinds/cheated/Andh-Bhakta to follow them otherwise Kaliyug apna effect kaise dikhayega.... Prabhupada always said surrender with your intelligence don't surrender your intelligence....All the very best following the cheaters!!🤣🤣
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
May lord Krishna and Srila Prabhupada bless you with intelligence to discriminate what is right and what is wrong 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Hare Krishna 🙏🏻🙏🏻
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
Excerpts from 5th Sept 1969 Hamburg Vyas Puja Lecture:
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Spiritual master is not that a particular man is spiritual master. Spiritual master is a truth. So what is that truth? The truth is saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka-trāṇāya kāruṇya-ghanāghanatvam. The whole world is in the blaze of material pangs, threefold miseries. *And a person who is authorized to deliver people from that material pangs, he is called spiritual master.*
So the spiritual master's duty is to save the living entities who are so much embarrassed by the forest fire. That is the duty of spiritual master. Saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka.
So spiritual master means he must be just like the cloud. How it is possible? It is possible. It is possible in this way, provided he follows the disciplic succession of spiritual master. Then it is possible. He must inherit the power from the superior source. Then it is possible that by his teaching, by his lessons, the forest fire which is burning within our heart, it can be extinguished, and the person who receives such spiritual instruction bona fidely, he becomes satisfied. This is the process. So,
saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka-
trāṇāya kāruṇya-ghanāghanatvam
prāptasya kalyāṇa-guṇārṇavasya
vande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam **
Now, this spiritual master's succession is not very difficult. Of course, my students, they offer me so much respect, but all these respects are due to my spiritual master. I am nothing. I am just like peon. Just like peon delivers one letter. He is not responsible for what is written in that letter. He is not responsible for what is written in that letter. He simply delivers. But a peon's duty is that he must sincerely carry out the order of the postmaster and deliver the letter to the proper person. That is their duty. Similarly, this paramparā system is like that. Every one of us should become a spiritual master because the world is in blazing fire.
Spiritual master is not a new invention. It is simply following the orders of the spiritual master. So all my students present here who are feeling so much obliged... I am also obliged to them because they are helping me in this missionary work. At the same time, I shall request them all to become spiritual master. Every one of you should be spiritual master next. And what is their duty? Whatever you are hearing from me, whatever you are learning from me, you have to distribute the same in toto without any addition or alteration. Then all of you become the spiritual master. That is the science of becoming spiritual master
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"" Every one of you should be spiritual master next. And what is their duty? Whatever you are hearing from me, whatever you are learning from me, you have to distribute the same in toto without any addition or alteration. Then all of you become the spiritual master. That is the science of becoming spiritual master ""
Again any sane/intelligent man who reads this can tell what Prabhupada means by all of you become the spiritual master (Siksha Guru) and what process Prabhupada is telling to become spiritual master - *Whatever you are hearing from me, whatever you are learning from me, you have to distribute the same in toto without any addition or alteration.*
The video that you shared is from ISKCON Sankhari - the clipping of video itself is the proof of alternation of Prabhupada's teaching why the books are being edited when Prabhupada clearly asked to make no addition or alternation....
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
Indeed Naive and Gullible Prabhu!
Complete excerpt from Hari Sauri Dairy 7th March 1976:
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Prabhupāda surprised me when I entered his room at about 11 a.m. this morning to prepare for his massage. For almost half an hour he preached to me, explaining that he wants all his disciples to become gurus. Each of us is to make thousands of disciples just as he has and in this way spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness all over the world.
He didn’t seem to be speaking in general terms either, but directly to me. He seemed very enlivened at the prospect of spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness in this way.
In the evening, when the GBC men filed into his room to make their report about their day’s meeting, he brought up the same topic, before discussing their resolutions. He asked me to explain to everyone what he had said earlier. But when I hesitated, he did it himself, repeating in brief this principle of becoming guru.
He told them that just as he had made thousands of disciples he wants each one of them to make ten thousand each. He encouraged them to become increasingly more qualified and rise to the position of being spiritual masters. He stressed that this can be done only if they maintain spiritual strength by strictly following the four regulative principles and chanting the prescribed number of rounds.
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"He encouraged them to become increasingly more qualified and rise to the position of being spiritual masters."
Any sane/intelligent man who reads this can conclude that Prabhupada is expressing his desire that all his disciples to become guru and is encouraging them to become more and more qualified to attain that position.....that clearly doesn't mean he has ordered someone to become "Guru" because he see that person fit to become "Guru"
Read the very next day's dairy
Excerpt from Hari Sauri Dairy 8th March 1976:
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In the early morning Prabhupāda called Tamal Krishna Goswami into his room. He told him that Madhudviṣa Swami should be made GBC Vice Chairman for the year and that Gargamuni Swami should be given GBC responsibility.
Tamal Krishna Mahārāja replied that the GBC had already considered Gargamuni, but they decided not to appoint him because he does not regularly chant his rounds. Some of Gargamuni’s men have left him, complaining that his devotional standard is not strict.
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So Gargamuni Prabhu wasn't Chanting his rounds regularly and he was very much Prabhupada's disciple and if we use your logic/clipped videos he should have become spiritual master that too Diksha Guru (and not Siksha Guru or something) but dairy clearly said on 7th March -- "He encouraged them to become increasingly more qualified and rise to the position of being spiritual masters. *He stressed that this can be done only if they maintain spiritual strength by strictly following the four regulative principles and chanting the prescribed number of rounds.*"
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
But before that proof just to ensure ISKCON people aren't naive (otherwise there's no point of believing a proof shared by another naive) can you please answer my 4 main questions Prabhu, it will be your mercy on fallen condition naive soul🙏🏻🙏🏻
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
https: // youtu . be /0V4RWIVlWGY ? si=eh5B_eRMgO5y3bYi
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
Jo aapko Tamal Krishna Maharaj ke disagreement waale videos dikhaye jaa rahe hai wo bhi edited hai watch his original video where he himself is agreeing to Ritvik system....who are the other devotees denying the one who has become Gurus themselves??
Aapke GBC me itna bhi Krishna ka fear nahi hai ki jis MahaBhagavat ne Krishna Consciousness preach karne ke itne efforts liye hai unke tapes jala rahe hai books edit kar rahe hai devotees ke confessions edit kar rahe hai
Humare paas ek letter ek room conversation to hai aapke proof non-existent kyu hai? Chalo maan bhi lo ki jitne proofs Ritviks de rahe hai wo aapke liye sufficient nahi hai to aapke proofs kaha hai you haven't answered a single question out of 4? And let's say you aren't able to produce a single explicit order from Srila Prabhupada supporting Guru system and you don't want to believe the proofs what Ritviks are providing? Which is more riskier? Surrendering to Srila Prabhupada through ineligible via or Surrendering to ineligible guru altogether... If you have sincere desire Srila Prabhupada will still accept you as his disciple irrespective of the eligibility of the via media because he is more merciful than lord himself who is Bhaav Grahi Janardhana but agar aap ineligible Guru ko surrender karte ho who will deliver you in that case????
Aap brain and common sense bhi use karte ho ya sirf Amogh Lila Prabhuji ko hi follow karte ho?
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
Furthermore, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu affirms that an empowered spiritual master is not obligated to adhere to mundane conventions. Therefore, as an empowered Acharya, Srila Prabhupada had the authority to establish the Ritvik system—even if it is not found in traditional practice.
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
No. *Tradition*, religion they are all *material*. They are also all designations.
Ref : SP Room conversation, 13th March 1975 Tehran
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, “Both the Supreme Personality of Godhead and My spiritual master, Īśvara Purī, are *completely independent*. Therefore neither the mercy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead nor that of Īśvara Purī is *subject to any Vedic rules and regulations*.
CC Madhya 10.137
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
You are getting so offended at disrespect of some self made Gurus but you are totally ok with the blasphemy of Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada who literally has taken so much of pain to give us Krishna Consciousness....
All the information/mis-information, backers and offenders of Srila Prabhupada are in front of you but if you still want to ignore the facts and act blind to them I can't help more....
Hare Krishna 🙏🏻
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
You will get the answer to your question if you are able to answer the 4 questions....where is reference of giving gayatri mantra on tape in vedas? You think Prabhupada deviated from Vedas? Very much yes because he is an empowered aacharya he can make temporary changes to Vedas based on time place and circumstances....And when I say temporary that means until the next empowered Aacharya comes (and not self made Gurus)....you have questions on him being empowered? You have questions on existence of July 9th letter? You have to deny that Ritvik system wasn't working when Prabhupada was physically present? You have questions on his decisions, abilities and capabilities as an empowered aacharya????? Do you think you have the capabilities to go through all the Vedas and counter Prabhupada that Prabhupada you haven't given any reference??? Vedas also recommended 64 rounds of chanting Prabhupada reduced it to 16??? Do you have doubts on that too??
Now answer the 4 MAIN questions: ))
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
Our objection is against the blashphemers and disobeyers of HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada! And you indeed should also raise questions against the same where is your comment on Amogh Lila Prabhu's video? I very much saw his complete video he could had drived the point home without making fun of Shri Archa Vigraha of Srila Prabhupada, are you also ok with Srila Prabhupada's disrespect?🙏🏻🙏🏻
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
If you look at the entire picture without any bias Ritviks are the ones fighting for Srila Prabhupada whereas your GBC and Gurus want positions for themselves ( please question yourself in this fight what Ritviks have to gain and what your Gurus and GBC are gaining your conscience will have the answer).... that's what real dedication/giving life for Srila Prabhupada means!
Hari Bol
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
Sir, it was you who started commenting negative things about Ritviks and not us.... It very much explains who has negative thoughts only...
I very much go to ISKCON and I am very much aware of what's going on there ....Have you ever visited any of the Hare Krishna Movement/ISKCON Banglore/VCM centers? No but you still have an opinion about what we are being fed with!!
Dedicated their lives for Srila Prabhupada? Then why do they have so much issue in accepting Srila Prabhupada as the Diksha Guru why they want to take his position when he never ordered to do so?
Why are you beating around the bush answer my 4 simple questions:
1. Why do you believe that Gayatri Mantra was given on tape when there is no mention of it in any of Srila Prabhupada's lectures or purports but ask for proofs in lectures and purport for Ritvik System
2. Where is the direct order of Srila Prabhupada to become Diksha Guru
2. Diksha Guru means one who initiates by taking away all the past Karmas/Sins, name one Guru in ISKCON who claims to take away all the past Karmas/Sins and take you back to godhead
3. When Radhanath Swamiji is a Diksha Guru and you all are so much against the Ritvik system why does he say "On behalf of Srila Prabhupada" when giving the initiated names
Dedicated their lives, Sir what delusions are you living in?? why isn't Amogh Lila Prabhu banned yet when he clearly made fun of Sri Archa Vigraha of Srila Prabhupada why is there no apology from his side yet, your GBC is so ok with disrespect of HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada??
Gave their lives? Why are they burning his recorded tapes? Why are they editing his books? By not following Srila Prabhupada's order they are doing the biggest disservice to Srila Prabhupada!!
And when I say they I don't mean everyone single soul at ISKCON, I am sure many good people are being forced/trapped or are getting thrown out for not following the authorities....our problem is with your GBC and every self made Guru at ISKCON who is ok with disrespect of and taking place of our Spiritual Master HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada without authority! 🙏🏻
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
Radhanath Swamiji in his initiation says "I give you so and so name on behalf of Srila Prabhupada" but what are Ritviks "Mayavadi" who is the Diksha Guru "Radhanath Swamiji"....
Heights of Hypocrisy!!!!
1. Guru must be living – not a matter of rubber-stamping
“Guru means one who is accepted as guru must be accepted as good as God. That is the injunction of the shastra. That means he must be a living personality. Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru. And I become guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
— Morning Walk, Los Angeles, May 13, 1973
2. Initiation must be from a present, living spiritual master
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksha-vidhana.”
— Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
3. Disciplic succession is continued by living devotees
“It is imperative that a serious person accept a bona fide spiritual master in terms of the shastric injunctions. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.”
— Cc. Adi 1.35, purport
4. Devotee must accept a living guru
“Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.”
— Conversation, October 28, 1975, Nairobi
5. The guru must physically be there to give diksha
“Dīkṣā means divya-jñānaṁ kṣipati — to give the divya-jñāna, transcendental knowledge. That is the duty of guru. And the disciple must admit that he’ll do anything for the guru. If he cannot do that, then he is not fit for being initiated.”
— Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.15, Honolulu, June 4, 1975
6. Books are not a replacement for the living guru
“Books are not sufficient. If books were sufficient for knowledge, then there was no need of a spiritual master. Therefore the Vedic injunction is: ‘tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet’ — one must go to a guru.”
— Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, January 9, 1973
7. He expected his disciples to become gurus
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I—one—may not live, but still the movement will go on. If you follow the previous acaryas, one after another, then there is no difficulty.”
— Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur
Now some persons have come out with the idea that there is no need of any guru. They are saying, ‘We can take initiation from Srila Prabhupada through ritvik.’ This is nonsense. Srila Prabhupada never said this. He wrote in his books that one must accept a bona fide guru, and not only one guru — he must accept siksa-guru, diksa-guru, and so many gurus. If the devotee is sincere, then Krishna will arrange for him to have the association of such bona fide gurus.
Why did Srila Prabhupada himself take initiation? Why did he accept a guru? And why did he give initiation to others? This ritvik idea is against guru-tattva. It is totally against all sastra, all teachings of the acaryas, and even against the desires of Srila Prabhupada himself.
Some say, ‘We are only followers of Srila Prabhupada. We do not need any other guru.’ This is sahajiya-vada. Guru is one, but if one is bona fide, Krishna will arrange for him to have a siksa-guru. Why did Srila Prabhupada write in his books that one must take shelter of a living guru? Was he joking? No, he was giving siddhanta.
“Books are not sufficient... one must go to a guru.”
(Bhagavad-gita 4.34, Bombay, Jan 9, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus. Otherwise, why would he have said, ‘I want all of you to become gurus and deliver the whole world’? Why would he train them in tattva-jnana, in Vaisnava behavior, and in deity worship? Did he not give them brahmana initiation? Then why are they rejecting that order now?
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it.”
(Room Conversation, April 6, 1975, Mayapur)
Srila Prabhupada
That [ritvik] letter was written for a temporary period while Srila Prabhupada was very ill. It was not meant to establish a new system after his disappearance. If it were, why didn’t he write it in his will or repeat it again and again in his lectures?
They say Srila Prabhupada is their guru and no need of another guru. This is against bhakti. This is against his desire. Guru must be physically present to give personal guidance. Otherwise, the heart will dry up.
“Not that ‘Guru is not present, so let me find out a dead guru.’ No. That is not the process.”
(Los Angeles, May 13, 1973) Srila Prabhupada
You don't worry but I am very much receptive and open to truth, if you/your institution is able to produce a "SINGLE" direct (non-ambiguous) order from Srila Prabhupada to become a Diksha Guru I will accept it as it is and will switch from Ritvik system....
Where is the mention of delivery of Gayatri Mantra through recorded tapes in Srila Prabhupada's lectures, purports or Gaudiya Madva philosophy but you all still believe it because it doesn't affect your institution's aim of name fame power and money..
Ok leave the order to become Diksha Guru aside....Diksha Guru means who can take all the sins....tell me a name of a "SINGLE" self-made ISKCON Guru who is claiming to take away all our sins and taking us back to godhead??????
Stop getting fooled or fooling people!! (whichever of the two you are doing time to stop)
Hare Krishna 🙇🏻♀️
श्रीमद्भगवद्गीता यथारूप, श्लोक - 4.2
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इसलिए
ISKCON is very very authentic(प्रामाणिक) 👈👍
I respect & love Both ISKCON & RITVIK, but I follow ISKCON because Krishn says that this most secret knowledge can be received only by Guru-Parampara.
In many Lectures, Prabhupada says that become GURU and preach this Krishn Consciousness all over the world.
(Back To Godhead vol.13 01/02, 1978)
Where are the destroyed recordings of Srila Prabhupada why isn't GBC has ever answered that....why are changes being made to translations and purports written by Srila Prabhupada in the name of rectifying grammatical errors?