Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.
@biren5445 no acharya,guru has given written, specific order to become guru, guru is a direct menifest of Krishna some how or other he will come out please pray.
The solution was to be like this- every one should have presented their views very very humble honest manner with saying my dear/respected spiritual brothers I/we think n feel srila Prabhupada wanted this/that but I/ we are not the authority so please consider this topic n do take decision as you like to be proper n even if I/we disagree still we will tolarate n cooperate to please Prabhupada. Because there is no one man authority after Prabhupada there must be some misunderstanding etc. It's all to be decided by GBC n all should have followed or pray n depend complete ly on the mercy of gurugouranga n not fight n spread the negativity of our brothers
When srila Prabhupada was present some disciples tried to be guru n he stopped them by saying it's not the etiquette, so after his departure devotees became guru now if Prabhupada come back then which way he can stop?
Prahlāda Mahārāja, who says, “If I must take some benediction from You, I pray that within the core of my heart there may be no material desires.”
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
@shriamarpuri how can you say Prabhupada authorized none?
Prahlāda Mahārāja, who says, “If I must take some benediction from You, I pray that within the core of my heart there may be no material desires.”
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
@shriamarpuri that's ok . Prabhu, but now that there is disagreement , we all are conditioned souls, so better tolarate be humble n pray pray pray n die but not leave organization n not spread the mistakes of devotees. Why should a vaishnava who is sieve fight against another vaishnava a needle. It's mercy that solves problem not our endeavor. According to Prabhupada both fighters are asara, useless. Only guru has authority to correct.
Guru Krishna n Krishna conciouseness they all are subject of revelation, why speculate. Pray n pray n pray only by mercy there is solution. We're the most spiritual ly educated devotees of the world but if we say just by speculation that there is no more possiblity of pure devotees/ bonafide guru/authority after srila Prabhupada no matter how much you pray n cry then what have we learned? Ask me I will show how srila Prabhupada authorized one of his disciples gouragovinda maharaj n how power full he was.
Prahlāda Mahārāja, who says, “If I must take some benediction from You, I pray that within the core of my heart there may be no material desires.”
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
That's the problem, we are conditioned souls still say there is no bonafide successor of srila Prabhupada, where from u learned to say like this. Has Prabhupada said it? Just let me ask a humble question why there is no Indian devotees who are comparilbly in good/no falling down name in the July 9th ritvic letter.
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.