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Prahlāda Mahārāja, who says, “If I must take some benediction from You, I pray that within the core of my heart there may be no material desires.”

So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

With regard to the last point debated, the detractors are arguing the Śrīla Prabhupāda wrote it was custom 'not to initiate in the presence of the Spiritual Master', which is at best indirect evidence by the detractors of the ritvik posthumous system. It is by no means comparable in common law evidential 'weightiness', to a written document regarding future initiations signed by the Founder-Achārya of ISKCON (that was to be distributed to all contemporaneous temple presidents). Maharaj argues that obfuscated evidence (tapes presumably removed from the ministry and later destroyed) proves that Śrīla Prabhupāda did not expound on this ritvik system, which is highly-irrational and illogical at best. Other considerations such as providing motivation for premature removal of the Achārya by ambitious disciples (as occurred with HDG Śrīla Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaj) was not discussed. Very unconvincing and amateurish performance by the detractors. Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.

Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.

Ritvik system will disappear in future very soon. They are just group of devotees who are reluctant to accept teachings of Srila Prabhupada and our previous Acharya.

Guru Krishna n Krishna conciouseness they all are subject of revelation, why speculate. Pray n pray n pray only by mercy there is solution. We're the most spiritual ly educated devotees of the world but if we say just by speculation that there is no more possiblity of pure devotees/ bonafide guru/authority after srila Prabhupada no matter how much you pray n cry then what have we learned? Ask me I will show how srila Prabhupada authorized one of his disciples gouragovinda maharaj n how power full he was.

This is my Narayana-astra for the Ritvik debate.

Ritviks are not able to give answer. Ofcourse they love to play with cherry picked quotes!

If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!

Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?

Why? Why? Why?

Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!

75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara

"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.”

68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta

"Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."

From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that “this is my program.” The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… “Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”

Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: “There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus.” It is the statement of a crazy fellow.

Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.

Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.

Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.

Prahlāda Mahārāja, who says, “If I must take some benediction from You, I pray that within the core of my heart there may be no material desires.”

So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

When srila Prabhupada was present some disciples tried to be guru n he stopped them by saying it's not the etiquette, so after his departure devotees became guru now if Prabhupada come back then which way he can stop?

thank you for posting this important subject. hare krishna. meeting is not entirely videotaped.

The solution was to be like this- every one should have presented their views very very humble honest manner with saying my dear/respected spiritual brothers I/we think n feel srila Prabhupada wanted this/that but I/ we are not the authority so please consider this topic n do take decision as you like to be proper n even if I/we disagree still we will tolarate n cooperate to please Prabhupada. Because there is no one man authority after Prabhupada there must be some misunderstanding etc. It's all to be decided by GBC n all should have followed or pray n depend complete ly on the mercy of gurugouranga n not fight n spread the negativity of our brothers

Just accepting Srila Prabhupada as the real diksa guru is the safest option. There is nothing wrong with it. He is present in his instructions. Srila Prabhupada himself has stated several times that guru-initiation is just formality, and that the real initiation is being serious in chanting Hare Krsna and following the process.

Just accepting Srila Prabhupada as the real diksa guru is the safest option. There is nothing wrong with it. He is present in his instructions. Srila Prabhupada himself has stated several times that guru-initiation is just formality, and that the real initiation is being serious in chanting Hare Krsna and following the process.