Manu Das First Person Seva

These are the times when discussions were open and available to all-

This is my Narayana-astra for the Ritvik debate.

Ritviks are not able to give answer. Ofcourse they love to play with cherry picked quotes!

If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!

Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?

Why? Why? Why?

Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!

75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara

"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.”

68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta

"Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."

From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that “this is my program.” The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… “Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”

Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: “There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus.” It is the statement of a crazy fellow.

Prahlāda Mahārāja, who says, “If I must take some benediction from You, I pray that within the core of my heart there may be no material desires.”

So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

We learn from Srimad Bhagavatam 5-26-28 ;

TRANSLATION

" A person who in this life bears false witness or lies while transacting business or giving charity is severely punished after death by the agents of Yamarāja. Such a sinful man is taken to the top of a mountain eight hundred miles high and thrown headfirst into the hell known as Avīcimat. This hell has no shelter and is made of strong stone resembling the waves of water. There is no water there, however, and thus it is called Avīcimat [waterless]. Although the sinful man is repeatedly thrown from the mountain and his body broken to tiny pieces, he still does not die but continuously suffers chastisement."

So, by hook or crook, maintain your FALSE Prestige, Position, Adoration, Distinction simply for Profit, and suffer the consequences as explained in the above Sloka. It is your Individual choice. OM TAT SAT.

Opposing team got bodied, Ritvik is what Srila Prabhupada wanted.... 11 years ago when I met ISKCON I read Srila Prabhupadas books, and got convinced with the philosophy, couldn't find a hole or an unanswered question in all of His books, conversations and letters. I never met any of these 'gurus' anytime they would come to the temple I wouldn't go (I'm in Latin America). So I wanted to take things more serious, start to live with devotees and get initiated but I was told by other initiated devotees that I couldn't accept His Divine Grace because he is not alive, instead I should accept a 'guru' that is alive. So illogical to me because I understood you would surrender your life to your Guru and I felt Srila Prabhupada was my guru because everything is in his books, and his instruction is alive. So I decided to leave and not come back because it didn't make sense to accept a person that didn't benefit my life in any way, or showed me the path... It's so unmotivating, but I'm glad to see this and other people come out with the same thoughts, at that time I really felt like I was crazy.