BHAKTI SIDDHANT SARASWATI WRITES IN 'TRUE CONCEPTION OF SRI GURU TATTVA' AS FOLLOWES:
"This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say 'there is no bonafide Guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future,' is an atheistic opinion."
@DD-su5ht hare krishna
it is right that a disciple can't accept disciples in physical presence of his spiritual master. But this does not mean he would accept disciples after guru's departure. Prabhupada also says my all disciples are competent to become future spiritual masters. But this competency does not bring right to give diksa without predecessor aacharya's order. If prabhupada give direct order to any of his disciples he would have told them clearly now you are authorised and you become a guru. I'm not speculating on it, prabhupada himself said it.👇
Prabhupäda: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become äcärya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all äcärya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
Then just show that direct order.
Whatever you are saying about ritviks is absolutely baseless. They are not blasphemimg any guru, only thing is to tell you that if direct order to become guru existed then no guru would have fall down(with order from guru comes proteection also from maya).
Aapki ISKCON GBC ka to kuch nahi jaega but aap Prabhupada authorised ritvik syatem of initations ke against vaisnav aparadh kar loge to isme aap hi foolish ban jaoge.
I know it will not ring bell in you mind(although any sane man can understad these simple facts) because you are Brainwashed by your bogus guruvadi system at its peak. THIS IS CALLED ENVIOUSNESS which is shown by unauthorised guruvadi people.
इस प्रकार यह परम विज्ञान गुरु-परम्परा द्वारा प्राप्त किया गया और राजर्षियों ने इसी विधि से इसे समझा l
इसलिए
ISKCON is very very authentic(प्रामाणिक) 👈👍
I respect & love Both ISKCON & RITVIK, but I follow ISKCON because Krishn says that this most secret knowledge can be received only by Guru-Parampara.
In many Lectures, Prabhupada says that become GURU and preach this Krishn Consciousness all over the world.
@the.man51 Hare Krishna Prabhu,
1) Srila Bhaktisiddhant maharaj prabhupada ke sisye unke departure ke baad godiya math me guru banne ke chakkar me sab kuch galat kiya. And this is told by Srila Prabhuada himself. Now you claim that just because Prabhupada ke disciples Prabhupada ke saath rahe to wo ab jo bhi kar rahe hain wo galat ho hi nahi sakta. Ye apne aap me galat argument hai.
I'm not saying ki Prabhupada ke disciples saare ke saare galat hain. What I'm saying ki merely disciple hona hi matter nahi karta balki disciple ki sincerity bhi matter karti hai.
2) Yes Tamal Krishna maharaj ne apne aap ko condition bataya. Ho sakta hai ki wo out of humility esa bol rahe hain. But then why he confess his disservice in pyramid house confession in 1980, then go to a Rasik guru and said what srila Prabhupada said is incomplete and what this rasik guru sat is perfect, then after 1995 he again said what prabhupada said is complete(chalo subah ka bhula saam ko ghar wapas aa gaye to kio na).
3)What prabhupada said about it will depend on your discretion in that conversation is clearly about further ritvik appointment in future. Means more ritvik can be appointed in future by management without Prabhupada discretion. This will again imply towards ritvik system of inittiation is authorised.
4)Prabhupada definitely have made statements about you all become guru, but if this were to be final order of Srila Prabhupada to become guru, then nobody would have fall down(With order from guru comes protection also from maya)
5)Srila Prabhupada is independent to do any unprecedented acts. Mrighari was initiated by Srila Narada Muni by breaking his bow, where is mentioned in sastras or in history of any sampradaya that by breaking a bow one can be initiated. Srila Prabhupada choose his way of initiation ie Ritvik system of initiation. It is disrespect of Srila Prabhupada when you say he(prabhupada ) is bound to limited ways of how he would initiate his disciples. Who are me and you to question about how srila prabhupada would initiate his disciples.
इस प्रकार यह परम विज्ञान गुरु-परम्परा द्वारा प्राप्त किया गया और राजर्षियों ने इसी विधि से इसे समझा l
इसलिए
ISKCON is very very authentic(प्रामाणिक) 👈👍
I respect & love Both ISKCON & RITVIK, but I follow ISKCON because Krishn says that this most secret knowledge can be received only by Guru-Parampara.
In many Lectures, Prabhupada says that become GURU and preach this Krishn Consciousness all over the world.
@the.man51
Room Conversation
—
April 22, 1977, Bombay 👇
Prabhupäda: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
Tamäla Kåñëa: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible...
Prabhupäda: Hm.
Tamäla Kåñëa: ...but not now.
Prabhupäda: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become äcärya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all äcärya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
Tamäla Kåñëa: The process of purification must be there.
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahäprabhu wants that. Ämära äjïäya guru haïä [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. "You become guru." (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower...
Tamäla Kåñëa: Not rubber stamp.
Prabhupäda: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gauòéya Maöha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and "guru." What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff... My Guru Mahäräja used to say, "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana (?)(Bengali): "Joint mess." He said this.
Read it carefully and know the reality
Here also Srila Prabhupada express his desires to see his disciples become bonafide spiritual masters. But here he personally told that training must be complete. If they would be fully trained, I would say them -> Prabhupäda: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become äcärya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all äcärya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
But Prabhupada never told them like this means he know they are still not qualified to become spiritual masters
BHAKTI SIDDHANT SARASWATI WRITES IN 'TRUE CONCEPTION OF SRI GURU TATTVA' AS FOLLOWES:
"This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say 'there is no bonafide Guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future,' is an atheistic opinion."
@DD-su5ht Hare Krishna, it is not that ritvik means jumping anywhere in the disciplic succession. Srila Prabhupada did authorised this ritvik system of initiation for himself and not others. It means the term ritvik doen not give licence to jump in guru parampara but rather it is a system of initiation by Srila Prabhupada to act as a priest on his(Srila prabhupada; not previous acharya) in discipplic succession.
Still this argument that ritvik means taking diksa from any previous aacharya is being put forward everywhere on social media. It shows how much envious you are.
Kindly be honest and open-hearted in accepting the Ritvik system as established by our beloved Acharya, Srila Prabhupad. Without sincerely acknowledging and following his clear instructions, especially on such a vital matter, our spiritual journey may not bear the intended fruit.
When one drifts away from humility and true surrender to Srila Prabhupad, the essence of real spirituality is lost. What remains is often just a struggle to maintain material position under the guise of spiritual leadership.
Let us not allow personal ambition or self-concocted ideas to overshadow the divine order of our spiritual master. For genuine spiritual progress, it is essential to remain submissive, sincere, and faithful to Srila Prabhupad’s teachings.
Hare Krishna.
🙏🙏
@DD-su5ht You can do that provided you have been told to do so by Sri Chaitanya mahaprabhu. Srila Prabhupada told to continue as ritvik so we can take initiation through ritvik from Srila Prabhupada, not previous aacaryas.
"This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say 'there is no bonafide Guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future,' is an atheistic opinion."
it is right that a disciple can't accept disciples in physical presence of his spiritual master. But this does not mean he would accept disciples after guru's departure. Prabhupada also says my all disciples are competent to become future spiritual masters. But this competency does not bring right to give diksa without predecessor aacharya's order. If prabhupada give direct order to any of his disciples he would have told them clearly now you are authorised and you become a guru. I'm not speculating on it, prabhupada himself said it.👇
Prabhupäda: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become äcärya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all äcärya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
Then just show that direct order.
Whatever you are saying about ritviks is absolutely baseless. They are not blasphemimg any guru, only thing is to tell you that if direct order to become guru existed then no guru would have fall down(with order from guru comes proteection also from maya).
Aapki ISKCON GBC ka to kuch nahi jaega but aap Prabhupada authorised ritvik syatem of initations ke against vaisnav aparadh kar loge to isme aap hi foolish ban jaoge.
I know it will not ring bell in you mind(although any sane man can understad these simple facts) because you are Brainwashed by your bogus guruvadi system at its peak. THIS IS CALLED ENVIOUSNESS which is shown by unauthorised guruvadi people.
Hare Krishna🙏
श्रीमद्भगवद्गीता यथारूप, श्लोक - 4.2
एवम परम्परा-प्राप्तम
इमाम राजरसयो विदुः l
इस प्रकार यह परम विज्ञान गुरु-परम्परा द्वारा प्राप्त किया गया और राजर्षियों ने इसी विधि से इसे समझा l
इसलिए
ISKCON is very very authentic(प्रामाणिक) 👈👍
I respect & love Both ISKCON & RITVIK, but I follow ISKCON because Krishn says that this most secret knowledge can be received only by Guru-Parampara.
In many Lectures, Prabhupada says that become GURU and preach this Krishn Consciousness all over the world.
1) Srila Bhaktisiddhant maharaj prabhupada ke sisye unke departure ke baad godiya math me guru banne ke chakkar me sab kuch galat kiya. And this is told by Srila Prabhuada himself. Now you claim that just because Prabhupada ke disciples Prabhupada ke saath rahe to wo ab jo bhi kar rahe hain wo galat ho hi nahi sakta. Ye apne aap me galat argument hai.
I'm not saying ki Prabhupada ke disciples saare ke saare galat hain. What I'm saying ki merely disciple hona hi matter nahi karta balki disciple ki sincerity bhi matter karti hai.
2) Yes Tamal Krishna maharaj ne apne aap ko condition bataya. Ho sakta hai ki wo out of humility esa bol rahe hain. But then why he confess his disservice in pyramid house confession in 1980, then go to a Rasik guru and said what srila Prabhupada said is incomplete and what this rasik guru sat is perfect, then after 1995 he again said what prabhupada said is complete(chalo subah ka bhula saam ko ghar wapas aa gaye to kio na).
3)What prabhupada said about it will depend on your discretion in that conversation is clearly about further ritvik appointment in future. Means more ritvik can be appointed in future by management without Prabhupada discretion. This will again imply towards ritvik system of inittiation is authorised.
4)Prabhupada definitely have made statements about you all become guru, but if this were to be final order of Srila Prabhupada to become guru, then nobody would have fall down(With order from guru comes protection also from maya)
5)Srila Prabhupada is independent to do any unprecedented acts. Mrighari was initiated by Srila Narada Muni by breaking his bow, where is mentioned in sastras or in history of any sampradaya that by breaking a bow one can be initiated. Srila Prabhupada choose his way of initiation ie Ritvik system of initiation. It is disrespect of Srila Prabhupada when you say he(prabhupada ) is bound to limited ways of how he would initiate his disciples. Who are me and you to question about how srila prabhupada would initiate his disciples.
श्रीमद्भगवद्गीता यथारूप, श्लोक - 4.2
एवम परम्परा-प्राप्तम
इमाम राजरसयो विदुः l
इस प्रकार यह परम विज्ञान गुरु-परम्परा द्वारा प्राप्त किया गया और राजर्षियों ने इसी विधि से इसे समझा l
इसलिए
ISKCON is very very authentic(प्रामाणिक) 👈👍
I respect & love Both ISKCON & RITVIK, but I follow ISKCON because Krishn says that this most secret knowledge can be received only by Guru-Parampara.
In many Lectures, Prabhupada says that become GURU and preach this Krishn Consciousness all over the world.
Room Conversation
—
April 22, 1977, Bombay 👇
Prabhupäda: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
Tamäla Kåñëa: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible...
Prabhupäda: Hm.
Tamäla Kåñëa: ...but not now.
Prabhupäda: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become äcärya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all äcärya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
Tamäla Kåñëa: The process of purification must be there.
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahäprabhu wants that. Ämära äjïäya guru haïä [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. "You become guru." (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower...
Tamäla Kåñëa: Not rubber stamp.
Prabhupäda: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gauòéya Maöha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and "guru." What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff... My Guru Mahäräja used to say, "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana (?)(Bengali): "Joint mess." He said this.
Read it carefully and know the reality
Here also Srila Prabhupada express his desires to see his disciples become bonafide spiritual masters. But here he personally told that training must be complete. If they would be fully trained, I would say them -> Prabhupäda: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become äcärya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all äcärya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
But Prabhupada never told them like this means he know they are still not qualified to become spiritual masters
"This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say 'there is no bonafide Guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future,' is an atheistic opinion."
Still this argument that ritvik means taking diksa from any previous aacharya is being put forward everywhere on social media. It shows how much envious you are.
Kindly be honest and open-hearted in accepting the Ritvik system as established by our beloved Acharya, Srila Prabhupad. Without sincerely acknowledging and following his clear instructions, especially on such a vital matter, our spiritual journey may not bear the intended fruit.
When one drifts away from humility and true surrender to Srila Prabhupad, the essence of real spirituality is lost. What remains is often just a struggle to maintain material position under the guise of spiritual leadership.
Let us not allow personal ambition or self-concocted ideas to overshadow the divine order of our spiritual master. For genuine spiritual progress, it is essential to remain submissive, sincere, and faithful to Srila Prabhupad’s teachings.
Hare Krishna.
🙏🙏
Hope your doubt is clear😊
Hare Krishna 🙏