If Shrila Prabhupada earlier told someone to become Guru after his departure but later on he found out that nobody is pure so Ritvik system is good,
If that is the case then Shrila Prabhupada can not be called as "Patit Pavan " Because he could not purify single fallen soul by his preaching efforts.
In another words Ritvik system proves that Shrila Prabhupada was a impotent preacher, his mission was a big failure so he is the only one Pure devotee for next 10000 years for giving Diksha.
This is how
Ritviks "Ati Bhakti Chorer lakshan "
Although they say that they are the only true followers of Shrila Prabhupada but they are Blasphaming Shrila Prabhupada in the the worst possible way.
Because Shrila Prabhupada himself said several times, "by all these preaching efforts if I can turn even one single soul into pure devotee, i will consider my mission is successful. "
And these foolish Ritviks are saying Shrila Prabhupada didn't find anyone pure so he remained sole diksha guru and appointed only Ritviks for next 10000 years.
Indeed Shrila Shukdev Goswami is glorifying Shrila Prabhupada in the Amal Puran Shrimad Bhagwatam 2.4.18
This verse is dedicated to Shrila Prabhupada by Shrila Shukdev Goswami
For his ability to purify fallen souls.
My dear Ritvik friends please open your blinded intoxicated eyes and read this verse with submissive heart.
Otherwise go to hell for not calling Shrila Prabhupada
"Patit Paavan "
What I have understood is that these Ritviks follow a rascal "Krishnakant Desai". If someone willfully closes his eyes, nothing can be done for such a person.
These Ritwik mayawadis and their followers are like just that 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Madhupandit dasa authorise iskcon Bangalore gbc. Iskcon Bangalore gbc appointed madhupandit dasa as ritvik representative. Where is Srila Prabhupada order. Where is adhikar. What madhupandit dasa ask for order of prabhupada for diksha guru he fail to show for ritvik.
@AyushiShah-b9w As per you who is ineligible guru? Give definition
Kindly be honest and open-hearted in accepting the Ritvik system as established by our beloved Acharya, Srila Prabhupad. Without sincerely acknowledging and following his clear instructions, especially on such a vital matter, our spiritual journey may not bear the intended fruit.
When one drifts away from humility and true surrender to Srila Prabhupad, the essence of real spirituality is lost. What remains is often just a struggle to maintain material position under the guise of spiritual leadership.
Let us not allow personal ambition or self-concocted ideas to overshadow the divine order of our spiritual master. For genuine spiritual progress, it is essential to remain submissive, sincere, and faithful to Srila Prabhupad’s teachings.
Hare Krishna.
🙏🙏
@PankajJangid-iw2bh Neither Lord Chaitanya nor the previous Acharyas in the disciplic succession deviated from Shastras!!!
Also, in no way our dearest Srila Prabhupada will deviate from shastra as He always stressed on 3 things : guru, sadhu, shastra!!
Srila Prabhupada was so humble, if HDG would have wanted diksha in Ritwik mode permanently, HDG would have surely done the following:
1. Stressed on Ritwikism multiple times in his lectures, conversations, and letters!
2. Himself would have followed Ritwikism (As Acharyas teaches by OWN EXAMPLE). Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura Maharaja neither Asked not given order in written form to Srila Prabhupada to give Diksha!! And as such Srila Prabhupada would have used a "picture" or "Archa Vigraha" of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura Maharaj for giving Diksha on his behalf!!! But Srila Prabhupada didn't do so because this is NEVER recommended in the Sastra!!!!!
Srila Prabhupada was in this mortal world till 14 Nov 1977. Wherein Srila Prabhupada has stated that "9 July letter" which was written and signed by HH Tamala Krishna Goswami Maharaja was "Final Order"???
Srila Prabhupada would surely have mentioned in his "Conversations" or "Final Will" that His 9th July Letter was HIS Final Order!!!
Srila Prabhupada, the day He arrived in America till His Last days, repeatedly mentioned that His disciples after being properly trained will become Gurus (only qualified disciples)!!!
You yourself think prji that Srila Prabhupada himself made the 11 Ritwiks. Ofcourse some of them fell down, but some of them to this day are sincerely serving Srila Prabhupada with impeccable character! Is it right to blaspheme them in the name of those who fell down?? Infact there are many instances where Srila Prabhupada was so pleased with His sincere disciples that He called them "Pure Vaisnavas" and "Representative of His Guru Maharaj" and many more. Do you think Ritwik seniors have better understanding than Srila Prabhupada??
My only request is kindly think about it after refering to Shastra, Srila Prabhupada's multiple lectures, conversations, etc. and finally the lives of the sincere senior disciples of Srila Prabhupada.
Those Ritwik seniors who have never even seen or served Srila Prabhupada directly are staging themselves as more qualified than "Srila Prabhupada's Direct Disciples". This is so absurd!!!
And lastly, again I want to state that Srila Prabhupada will never go against the disciplic succession and shastra!!!
Truly Srila Prabhupada is eternally living, but that is also applicable to previous Vaisnava Acharyas!!
Just accepting Srila Prabhupada as the real diksa guru is the safest option. There is nothing wrong with it. He is present in his instructions. Srila Prabhupada himself has stated several times that guru-initiation is just formality, and that the real initiation is being serious in chanting Hare Krsna and following the process.
The person who is arguing like a mad person did missed the golden opportunity to surrender to such a great soul a great master like Srila Prabhupada
@healthyself7941 Till when one can go on experimenting?? For proper knowledge, you have to take guidance from appropriate teachers or authorities...
For example... How can a person know his father? There are two options...
First (assuming that the mother of the person is an honest person), a person can simply ask his mother about his father, and the mother being proper authority can tell who the father of that child is...
Second option.... Just go on experimenting with each and every person with the tools provided by modern science to know the father!!
Now, it is not that we should accept things blindly.... But at the same time we should have an open mind, be honest and enquire from appropriate authorities.... Otherwise, we will go on and on and there is no surety that we will get enlightened in the end....
So, bottomline is, be intelligent, honest and open minded and ask questions (not with the goal to demean someone, but to really understand and absorb knowledge)..
This is a mere suggestion buddy... If I have offended you in some way then please excuse me👍
If that is the case then Shrila Prabhupada can not be called as "Patit Pavan " Because he could not purify single fallen soul by his preaching efforts.
In another words Ritvik system proves that Shrila Prabhupada was a impotent preacher, his mission was a big failure so he is the only one Pure devotee for next 10000 years for giving Diksha.
This is how
Ritviks "Ati Bhakti Chorer lakshan "
Although they say that they are the only true followers of Shrila Prabhupada but they are Blasphaming Shrila Prabhupada in the the worst possible way.
Because Shrila Prabhupada himself said several times, "by all these preaching efforts if I can turn even one single soul into pure devotee, i will consider my mission is successful. "
And these foolish Ritviks are saying Shrila Prabhupada didn't find anyone pure so he remained sole diksha guru and appointed only Ritviks for next 10000 years.
Indeed Shrila Shukdev Goswami is glorifying Shrila Prabhupada in the Amal Puran Shrimad Bhagwatam 2.4.18
This verse is dedicated to Shrila Prabhupada by Shrila Shukdev Goswami
For his ability to purify fallen souls.
My dear Ritvik friends please open your blinded intoxicated eyes and read this verse with submissive heart.
Otherwise go to hell for not calling Shrila Prabhupada
"Patit Paavan "
These Ritwik mayawadis and their followers are like just that 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Kindly be honest and open-hearted in accepting the Ritvik system as established by our beloved Acharya, Srila Prabhupad. Without sincerely acknowledging and following his clear instructions, especially on such a vital matter, our spiritual journey may not bear the intended fruit.
When one drifts away from humility and true surrender to Srila Prabhupad, the essence of real spirituality is lost. What remains is often just a struggle to maintain material position under the guise of spiritual leadership.
Let us not allow personal ambition or self-concocted ideas to overshadow the divine order of our spiritual master. For genuine spiritual progress, it is essential to remain submissive, sincere, and faithful to Srila Prabhupad’s teachings.
Hare Krishna.
🙏🙏
Also, in no way our dearest Srila Prabhupada will deviate from shastra as He always stressed on 3 things : guru, sadhu, shastra!!
Srila Prabhupada was so humble, if HDG would have wanted diksha in Ritwik mode permanently, HDG would have surely done the following:
1. Stressed on Ritwikism multiple times in his lectures, conversations, and letters!
2. Himself would have followed Ritwikism (As Acharyas teaches by OWN EXAMPLE). Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura Maharaja neither Asked not given order in written form to Srila Prabhupada to give Diksha!! And as such Srila Prabhupada would have used a "picture" or "Archa Vigraha" of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura Maharaj for giving Diksha on his behalf!!! But Srila Prabhupada didn't do so because this is NEVER recommended in the Sastra!!!!!
Srila Prabhupada was in this mortal world till 14 Nov 1977. Wherein Srila Prabhupada has stated that "9 July letter" which was written and signed by HH Tamala Krishna Goswami Maharaja was "Final Order"???
Srila Prabhupada would surely have mentioned in his "Conversations" or "Final Will" that His 9th July Letter was HIS Final Order!!!
Srila Prabhupada, the day He arrived in America till His Last days, repeatedly mentioned that His disciples after being properly trained will become Gurus (only qualified disciples)!!!
You yourself think prji that Srila Prabhupada himself made the 11 Ritwiks. Ofcourse some of them fell down, but some of them to this day are sincerely serving Srila Prabhupada with impeccable character! Is it right to blaspheme them in the name of those who fell down?? Infact there are many instances where Srila Prabhupada was so pleased with His sincere disciples that He called them "Pure Vaisnavas" and "Representative of His Guru Maharaj" and many more. Do you think Ritwik seniors have better understanding than Srila Prabhupada??
My only request is kindly think about it after refering to Shastra, Srila Prabhupada's multiple lectures, conversations, etc. and finally the lives of the sincere senior disciples of Srila Prabhupada.
Those Ritwik seniors who have never even seen or served Srila Prabhupada directly are staging themselves as more qualified than "Srila Prabhupada's Direct Disciples". This is so absurd!!!
And lastly, again I want to state that Srila Prabhupada will never go against the disciplic succession and shastra!!!
Truly Srila Prabhupada is eternally living, but that is also applicable to previous Vaisnava Acharyas!!
For example... How can a person know his father? There are two options...
First (assuming that the mother of the person is an honest person), a person can simply ask his mother about his father, and the mother being proper authority can tell who the father of that child is...
Second option.... Just go on experimenting with each and every person with the tools provided by modern science to know the father!!
Now, it is not that we should accept things blindly.... But at the same time we should have an open mind, be honest and enquire from appropriate authorities.... Otherwise, we will go on and on and there is no surety that we will get enlightened in the end....
So, bottomline is, be intelligent, honest and open minded and ask questions (not with the goal to demean someone, but to really understand and absorb knowledge)..
This is a mere suggestion buddy... If I have offended you in some way then please excuse me👍