Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.
@ElFresco214 Didn't Prabhupada want his disciples to become gurus and accept disciples? He wanted this.
So this is the end of the ritvik debate. Now there is no meaning of arguing mindlessly for thousands of years!
Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.
@gaurange1087 he didn't say anywhere. He never did.
Ritviks are not able to give answer. Ofcourse they love to play with cherry picked quotes!
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?
Why? Why? Why?
Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!
75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.”
68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta
"Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."
From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that “this is my program.” The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… “Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”
Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: “There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus.” It is the statement of a crazy fellow.
@ElFresco214 they are not proof of any kind. Ritviks have been cheating for many years. Now this should be stopped immediately.
Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.
@ElFresco214 ISKCON did make mistakes in the past but that doesn't mean Prabhupada wanted the whole new ritvik initiation system. That's pure concoction. He never said anything about it directly. We should only focus on clear instructions and writings .
Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.
@ElFresco214 anyone who is qualified can become diksha gurus.
Prabhupada said that in his absence his disciples can become gurus but they have to be qualified for that position.
Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.
@ElFresco214 anyone who is qualified can become diksha gurus. There is no question of appointment. He said one thousand times that he wanted his disciples to become gurus. Ritviks are not able to hear that. Pathetic situation!
Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.
@ElFresco214 67-11-02.Mad Letter: Madhusudana
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated 24th October 1967. Kirtanananda was awarded the position of a Sannyasi because he wanted it although I could understand it that he wanted to be a spiritual master himself. Lord Caitanya wanted every one should be a spiritual master provided he follows the order of Lord Caitanya. The Lord’s mission was to defeat the Mayavada philosophy and establish in the philosophy of Krishna consciousness because Krishna is the Supreme Lord the Personality of Godhead. Anyone following the order of Lord Caitanya under the guidance of His bonafide representative, can become a spiritual master and I wish that in my absence all my disciples become the bonafide spiritual master to spread Krishna Consciousness throughout the whole world. I want it but Kirtanananda was too much puffed up and artificially he took up a certificate from me that he has been awarded the order to a Sannyasi, In the spiritual field nobody can become a bonafide spirtual master by dissatisfying his spiritual master.
Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.
@ElFresco214 Didn't Prabhupada want his disciples to become gurus and accept disciples? He wanted this.
So this is the end of the ritvik debate. Now there is no meaning of arguing mindlessly for thousands of years!
Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.
@bullvorIf Srila Prabhupada didn’t clearly and definitely say it, whatever it is, don’t trust it.
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
What would strong evidence look like? Something like this:
“Acting on my behalf, my disciples serving as rttvik gurus shall continue to initiate even after my physical departure. The new disciples initiated shall not be disciples of the rttviks. They shall be my own.”
Both are possible. Our disciplic succession has many gaps, going all the way back to Krsna 5000 years ago. The problem rests on being able to identify a genuine Pure Devotee.
This is my Narayana-astra for the Ritvik debate.
Ritviks are not able to give answer. Ofcourse they love to play with cherry picked quotes!
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?
Why? Why? Why?
Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!
75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.”
68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta
"Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."
From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that “this is my program.” The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… “Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”
Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: “There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus.” It is the statement of a crazy fellow.
Ritviks are not able to give answer. Ofcourse they love to play with cherry picked quotes!
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?
Why? Why? Why?
Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!
75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.”
68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta
"Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."
From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that “this is my program.” The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… “Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”
Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: “There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus.” It is the statement of a crazy fellow.
So this is the end of the ritvik debate. Now there is no meaning of arguing mindlessly for thousands of years!
Ritviks are not able to give answer. Ofcourse they love to play with cherry picked quotes!
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?
Why? Why? Why?
Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!
75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.”
68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta
"Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."
From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that “this is my program.” The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… “Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”
Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: “There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus.” It is the statement of a crazy fellow.
Prabhupada said that in his absence his disciples can become gurus but they have to be qualified for that position.
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated 24th October 1967. Kirtanananda was awarded the position of a Sannyasi because he wanted it although I could understand it that he wanted to be a spiritual master himself. Lord Caitanya wanted every one should be a spiritual master provided he follows the order of Lord Caitanya. The Lord’s mission was to defeat the Mayavada philosophy and establish in the philosophy of Krishna consciousness because Krishna is the Supreme Lord the Personality of Godhead. Anyone following the order of Lord Caitanya under the guidance of His bonafide representative, can become a spiritual master and I wish that in my absence all my disciples become the bonafide spiritual master to spread Krishna Consciousness throughout the whole world. I want it but Kirtanananda was too much puffed up and artificially he took up a certificate from me that he has been awarded the order to a Sannyasi, In the spiritual field nobody can become a bonafide spirtual master by dissatisfying his spiritual master.
So this is the end of the ritvik debate. Now there is no meaning of arguing mindlessly for thousands of years!
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
What would strong evidence look like? Something like this:
“Acting on my behalf, my disciples serving as rttvik gurus shall continue to initiate even after my physical departure. The new disciples initiated shall not be disciples of the rttviks. They shall be my own.”
Have you seen this kind of evidence anywhere? No!
Ritviks are not able to give answer. Ofcourse they love to play with cherry picked quotes!
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?
Why? Why? Why?
Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!
75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.”
68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta
"Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."
From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that “this is my program.” The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… “Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”
Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: “There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus.” It is the statement of a crazy fellow.
Ritviks are not able to give answer. Ofcourse they love to play with cherry picked quotes!
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?
Why? Why? Why?
Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!
75-09-02.Omk Letter: Omkara
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.”
68-12-03 Letter: Hamsaduta
"Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program."
From this statement it is abundantly clear that Prabhupada’s mission from the very beginning was to educate his disciples so some of them would become qualified diksa gurus and initiate their own disciples. He wants to transfer the title of Bhaktivedanta and the power to preach and accept disciples to his disciples. He clearly states that “this is my program.” The qualification is there… One must pass the examination on all the books… “Our students must be well versed in all of our books so they are prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”
Considering the statements of Srila Prabhupada quoted above and the hundreds of others along the same lines it is completely bizarre for Krishna Kant to claim: “There is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada issuing specific orders for his disciples to become diksa gurus.” It is the statement of a crazy fellow.
Why? Why? Why?