• ISKCON Gurus
  • is video was taken at the historic official ISKCON debate on the ritvik philosophy, the idea that Srila Prabhupada established a system in ISKCON which would enable him to continue to accept disciples, even after he was no longer physically present. It is quite amazing as it is attended by practically all the ISKCON leaders in North America.
    The presentation given by the devotees from the then "Vedic Village Review," a monthly magazine that became the venue for much discussion on Srila Prabhupada's ritvik instructions for ISKCON, was very well received. So much so that a vote taken at the end of the debate by all the devotees present almost unanimously agreed that the evidence presented in this debate by Rupa Vilas Prabhu, Karanamrta Prabhu, Yasoda Nandana Prabhu, and others, was substantial, and that this matter should be taken up very seriously for further consideration in ISKCON.
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  • Fluti Toys
    Fluti Toys 2 months agoWhich year did thus debate happened?
    • Ayush Raghuwanshi
      Ayush Raghuwanshi 4 months agoWHAT HAPPENED IMMEDIATELY AFTER — The vote was ignored

      As a result of the debate, a resolution was passed to conduct an investigation and have further discussions during the upcoming Mayapur meetings.

      Those promised further discussions never happened. Instead:

      The GBC passed a Prohibition Order in 1990 declaring the posthumous ritvik initiation theory a “dangerous philosophical deviation” — totally prohibited in ISKCON. No devotee was permitted to participate in such ceremonies in any capacity, including acting as ritvik, initiate, assistant, organizer, or financer. No ISKCON devotee could advocate or support its practice.

      The editors of the Vedic Village Review — Nityananda Das, Rupa Vilas Das, and Karnamrita Das — were ordered to admit error, apologize publicly, and permit the GBC to distribute a written rectification to their entire subscriber base at the VVR’s own expense. If they refused by May 31, 1990, they would be expelled from ISKCON.
      • Radha Bhaav
        Radha Bhaav 3 years agoMeetings on spritual topics must be between self realised souls( liberated trikaal darshi pure devotees).

        There is no value what a conditioned soul thinks on spritual system 😂
        • Sujay Goswami
          Sujay Goswami 3 years agoTreasure 🪙.... Real treasure 🪙.., absolute 🪙.... This should be saved for the next 10000 years for keeping this movement moving ahead... Srila Prabhupada being Yuga Aacharya... Jai Srila Prabhupada 🙏
          • Максим Хоронеко
            Максим Хоронеко 4 years agoHare Krishna, prabhus! Can some one make english subtitles for this video? Can't understand english speach! Pleeeeease!!!
            • Liberte Parboogie YouTuber
              Liberte Parboogie YouTuber 4 years agoWhere and when did Srila Prabhupad ever said, he's the Last guru on the eternal chain of disciplic succession which was established by Sri Krishna Himself?
            • Liberte Parboogie YouTuber
              Liberte Parboogie YouTuber 4 years agoIt's absolutely senseless to assume that 4ever, there's none qualified to become a guru after Srila Prabhupad's departure. It's so absurd and ridiculous! Your so-called love for Srila Prabhupad becomes nil when you think that, he, Srila Prabhupad was not powerful enough to make just a single devotee fit to be a guru. I'll like to debate any ritvik on this senseless topic. It makes no sense, and it's not scriptural either! Shalom!!!
              • Sudama das
                Sudama das 3 years agoAgree. Prabhupada produced many moons. Yes, the moons may still be rare, nevtheless, they are there.
            • Biren R
              Biren R 4 years agoWhy would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?

              Why? Why? Why?
              • Janārdan-Hari Dās
                Janārdan-Hari Dās 4 years agoHe did. The written instruction signed by him to be sent to all temple presidents was obfuscated, along with the numerous tapes of him discussing it with his disciples.
            • Ranjeet Singh Chauhan
              Ranjeet Singh Chauhan 4 years agoRitvik group is trying to save their face by putting counter argument. They don't have single evidence to establish ritvik system.

              If anything is unclear we have to go through the general law. But, ritvik group is adamant on their part and is reluctant to accept authority.
              • Ranjeet Singh Chauhan
                Ranjeet Singh Chauhan 4 years ago@KcClips Don't do mental speculation rather present some evidence for ritvik system. 😊

                I will save this debate for future reference.

                Ritviks were smashed left and right on this debate.
              • KC Clips
                KC Clips 4 years ago@ranjeet436 present day Ṛtvikism is Bogus Apasampradaya, mayawadi concocting something new. https://youtu.be/liBoHUJyxHU.

                Hare Kṛṣṇa!!🙏
            • Sanatana Prema
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              • amar puri
                amar puri 5 years agoWe learn from Srimad Bhagavatam 5-26-28 ;

                TRANSLATION

                " A person who in this life bears false witness or lies while transacting business or giving charity is severely punished after death by the agents of Yamarāja. Such a sinful man is taken to the top of a mountain eight hundred miles high and thrown headfirst into the hell known as Avīcimat. This hell has no shelter and is made of strong stone resembling the waves of water. There is no water there, however, and thus it is called Avīcimat [waterless]. Although the sinful man is repeatedly thrown from the mountain and his body broken to tiny pieces, he still does not die but continuously suffers chastisement."

                So, by hook or crook, maintain your FALSE Prestige, Position, Adoration, Distinction simply for Profit, and suffer the consequences as explained in the above Sloka. It is your Individual choice. OM TAT SAT.
                • Raj Panchal
                  Raj Panchal 5 years agoFirstly he openly accepts that he is not qualified then, the only doubt is whether this system has been approved by Shrila Prabhupada or has it been existing previously-

                  Shri Chaitanya Charanamrita Adi Lila 12

                  TEXT 8

                  TEXT

                  prathame ta' eka-mata äcäryera gaëa

                  päche dui-mata haila daivera käraëa

                  SYNONYMS

                  prathame—in the beginning; ta'-however; eka-mata—one opinion; äcäryera—of Advaita Äcärya; gaëa—followers; päche—later; dui-mata—two opinions; haila—became; daivera—of providence; käraëa—the cause.

                  TRANSLATION

                  At first all the followers of Advaita Äcärya shared a single opinion. But later they followed two different opinions, as ordained by providence.

                  PURPORT

                  The words daivera käraëa indicate that by dint of providence, or by God's will, the followers of Advaita Äcärya divided into two parties. Such disagreement among the disciples of one äcärya is also found among the members of the Gauòéya Maöha. In the beginning, during the presence of Oà Viñëupäda Paramahaàsa Parivräjakäcärya Añöottara-çata Çré Çrémad Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura Prabhupäda, all the disciples worked in agreement; but just after his disappearance, they disagreed. One party strictly followed the instructions of Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura, but another group created their own concoction about executing his desires. Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura, at the time of his departure, requested all his disciples to form a governing body and conduct missionary activities cooperatively. He did not instruct a particular man to become the next äcärya. But just after his passing away, his leading secretaries made plans, without authority, to occupy the post of äcärya, and they split into two factions over who the next äcärya would be. Consequently, both factions were asära, or useless, because they had no authority, having disobeyed the order of the spiritual master. Despite the spiritual master's order to form a governing body and execute the missionary activities of the Gauòéya Maöha, the two unauthorized factions began litigation that is still going on after forty years with no decision.

                  Therefore, we do not belong to any faction. But because the two parties, busy dividing the material assets of the Gauòéya Maöha institution, stopped the preaching work, we took up the mission of Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura and Bhaktivinoda Öhäkura to preach the cult of Caitanya Mahäprabhu all over the world, under the protection of all the predecessor äcäryas, and we find that our humble attempt has been successful. We followed the principles especially explained by Çréla Viçvanätha Cakravarté Öhäkura in his commentary on the Bhagavad-gétä verse vyavasäyätmikä buddhir ekeha kuru-nandana. According to this instruction of Viçvanätha Cakravarté Öhäkura, it is the duty of a disciple to follow strictly the orders of his spiritual master. The secret of success in advancement in spiritual life is the firm faith of the disciple in the orders of his spiritual master. The Vedas confirm this:

                  yasya deve parä bhaktir

                  yathä deve tathä gurau

                  tasyaite kathitä hy arthäù

                  prakäçante mahätmanaù

                  "To one who has staunch faith in the words of the spiritual master and the words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the secret of success in Vedic knowledge is revealed." The Kåñëa consciousness movement is being propagated according to this principle, and therefore our preaching work is going on successfully, in spite of the many impediments offered by antagonistic demons, because we are getting positive help from our previous äcäryas. One must judge every action by its result. The members of the self-appointed äcärya's party who occupied the property of the Gauòéya Maöha are satisfied, but they could make no progress in preaching. Therefore by the result of their actions one should know that they are asära, or useless, whereas the success of the ISKCON party, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, which strictly follows guru and Gauräìga, is increasing daily all over the world. Çréla Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura wanted to print as many books as possible and distribute them all over the world. We have tried our best in this connection, and we are getting results beyond our expectations.

                  Please go through the IA77 position paper.
                  • Raj Panchal
                    Raj Panchal 5 years agoKirtananda was exposed by Shri Sulochana das prabhu and he was found to be the cause of his murder, that is why they are not able to say confidently about him anymore.
                • KC Clips
                  KC Clips 6 years agoIndeed Ritvik's are totally defeated here...

                  https://youtu.be/XVqeFtB0XCo
                  • Ranjeet Singh Chauhan
                    Ranjeet Singh Chauhan 4 years agoIt is dominating only for you. 😊 Ritvik group don't have single evidence to establish the bogus system of initiation.

                    Nice way to save your face.
                  • KC Clips
                    KC Clips 4 years ago@ranjeet436Today's Rtvikism is a Bogus nonsence mayawadi invention. Their philosophy is based on interpretation of Prabhupāda's instructions.

                    https://youtu.be/liBoHUJyxHU
                • Athena
                  Athena 6 years agoHow does one receive diksha from Prabhupada
                  • Archis
                    Archis 6 years agohttps://youtu.be/m_zVnsotoU8
                  • Archis
                    Archis 6 years agoContact ISKM to begin the monitor period
                  • Abhay Missack
                    Abhay Missack 5 years ago@Archis1488 contact and be misguided
                  • Ranjeet Singh Chauhan
                    Ranjeet Singh Chauhan 4 years agoI would recommend you to discuss in person from any ISKCON temple and ritvik group of temple then decide yourself what is correct.

                    For me it's clear. Ritvik system is bogus and don't have any single evidence.
                  • Biren R
                    Biren R 4 years ago@ranjeet436 yes i was a follower of ritvik but now I see they can't preach
                  • Liberte Parboogie YouTuber
                    Liberte Parboogie YouTuber 4 years ago@Archis1488 ISKM is absolutlely Wrong!!!.
                  • Spirit Soul
                    Spirit Soul 4 years agoŚrīla Prabhupāda: “I have selected you among eleven men as ‘rittvik‘or representative of the acharya, to

                    give initiations, both first and second initiation, on my behalf.” (July 10th)

                    “…the process for initiation to be followed in the future.” (July 11th)

                    “…continue to become ritvik and act on my charge.” (July 19th)

                    “…continue to become ritvik and act on my behalf.” (July 31th)
                  • Codino
                    Codino 3 years ago@spiritsoul4075 Stop misguiding. If we read those conversations in neutral mood, prabhupada didn't said that after his departure ritvik system of initiation will be continue. On the other hand there are so many quote of prabhupada accepting real guru- shisya parampara system.

                    Ritvik system totally based on misinterpretion of prabhupada's letters and conversion.
                  • Liberte Parboogie YouTuber
                    Liberte Parboogie YouTuber 3 years ago@spiritsoul4075 This was while Srila Prabhupada was still on the planet, don't misguide.
                  • Rahul chandila
                    Rahul chandila 3 years ago@Parboogie https://youtu.be/qDSmGSgyyNo
                • Penlight
                  Penlight 6 years agoDevotional Service begins by Sravanam or Hearing. Hearing or reading from the correct sources. Then when hearing begins to transform the listener to the point where what is being heard becomes practiced. In such practice initiation is implicit.
                • Ṛtasmara
                  Ṛtasmara 6 years ago46:45 Jayādvaita Svāmī destroyed
                • Krsna-Caitanya
                  Krsna-Caitanya 8 years ago What happened after this debate ? Was the second phase of the investigation carried out ?
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