Madhupandit dasa authorise iskcon Bangalore gbc. Iskcon Bangalore gbc appointed madhupandit dasa as ritvik representative. Where is Srila Prabhupada order. Where is adhikar. What madhupandit dasa ask for order of prabhupada for diksha guru he fail to show for ritvik.
@AyushiShah-b9w Prabhuji what you have spoken is true. However, in Srila Prabhupada's own words (for his sincere disciples present at that time), Srila Prabhupada on multiple occasions called them Pure Vaisnavas.
Now whose verdict to accept: "Srila Prabhupada" OR "Follower of ineligible self appointed Ritwiks"?
BHAKTI SIDDHANT SARASWATI WRITES IN 'TRUE CONCEPTION OF SRI GURU TATTVA' AS FOLLOWES:
"This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say 'there is no bonafide Guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future,' is an atheistic opinion."
@PankajJangid-iw2bh Let me give you your own medicine (although I am sure you simply want to argue) who is a follower of the greedy bogus Ritwiks (Unauthorized Ritwiks):
1. Give proof that Srila Prabhupada authorized the "Self-selected Ritwiks"?
2. Give Proof that the Ritwiks of Iskcon Bangalore are authorized as per Srila Prabhupada's will or letters.
3. Share some proof wherein Srila BhaktiSiddhanta Thakura Maharaja OR Srila Bhakti Vinoda Thakura Maharaja OR any past Acharya in the disciplic succession vouched for Ritwikism? In none of Srila Prabhupada's books, conversations, letters, etc. has Srila Prabhupada never deviated from teachings of the disciplic succession (Read the ending paragraph of "Bhagvad Gita As It Is" what Srila Prabhupada himself said!)
4. Share a proof or Letter regarding where Srila Prabhupada CLEARLY Stated that "post HIS departure, his disciples should give Diksha directly from Srila Prabhupada's photo or Archa-vigraha" (I want proof, NOT some speculated theory by Ritwiks. )
5. Regarding selection of Guru, whats your take on NOI 1st verse? "A sober person who can tolerate the urge to speak, the mind’s demands, the actions of anger and the urges of the tongue, belly and genitals is qualified to make disciples all over the world." Do you refute this in line with Ritwik Mayawad Philosophy?
6. This one is eye-opening if you consider it with open mind: Can you show a proof wherein Srila BhaktiSiddhanta Saraswati Thakura Maharaja asked Srila Prabhupada to give Diksha OR become Diksha Guru? In your words " just show that direct order." Without showing proof, dont waste my time.
7. As per Bogus Ritwiks Srila Prabbhupada could not make a single pure devotee when HE was personally present. In that sense what hope is there that someone will become pure devotee sitting infront of picture of HDG?
8. A spiritual master has all the right whether to accept or reject a disciple. In that sense, how can you assure that the "disciple" suggested by the bogus self-appointed ritwiks is also accepted by Srila Prabhupada? Show proof
If you have "Authentic Proofs" then simply present the proofs. Otherwise my time is important as well as yours. If you simply want to blindly uphold the bogus self-appointed Ritwik mayawadis due to ENVIOUSNESS and INFLATED EGO, then no need to answer. By blaspheming the sincere senior disciples, the Ritwik mayawadis are stead fastily going to a special place along with their blind followers. This is my last message unless you give proper proofs. Hare Krsna🙏🙏
BHAKTI SIDDHANT SARASWATI WRITES IN 'TRUE CONCEPTION OF SRI GURU TATTVA' AS FOLLOWES:
"This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say 'there is no bonafide Guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future,' is an atheistic opinion."
@PankajJangid-iw2bh Real enviousness is being exhibited by the Ritwik Seniors prabhuji.
Srila Prabhupada never ever once mentioned about Ritwikvaad in his thousands of lectures! During 1977, Srila Prabhupada's physical health was deterriorating, the number of devotees who applied for diksha stemmed worldwide....in such a scenario, in response to Srila Prabhupada's replies, the 9th July 1977 letter was compiled by HH Tamal Krsna Goswami Maharaja. "It is te general etiquette that when Guru is present in this world, His disciples don't accept disciples "(these are Srila Prabhupada's word so please dont speculate here!). Hence, considering Srila Prabhupada's health and the number of disksha to be given world wide, 11 authntic RITWIKs were appointed by Srila Prabhupada himself (Iskcon Bangalore appoints RITWIKs by their own choice which is completely absurd!)...Post 9th July 1977 and prior to 14 Nov 1977, Srila Prabhupada again stated about "Grand-disciples or disciples of disciples".
Now, coming to present, true ENVIOUSNESS has been shown by Ritwik leaders!! Because some of the gurus fell down, Ritwik leaders declared all are fallen...such blasphemy!!!!!!! In fact these Ritwik leaders are actually "either OFFENDERS to Srila Prabhupada OR Cheaters". I am saying so because in a way these Ritwiks are indirectly stating they are more powerful than Srila Prabhupada! "What Srila Prabhupada could not do when HE was physically present and by HIS personal training", the Ritwiks leaders claim to achieve that purity through diksha from Srila Prabhupada's archa vigraha!! Does not this ring any bells in your minds?
How does Iskcon Bangalore gives initiation to new devotees if the 11 ritvik Gurus appointed by HDG is not in communication with HG Madhu Panday Das. Tq
@timepasschannel8631 I am planing to open a temple in my town....Can I with my friends and family nominate ourselves as Ritwiks and give diksha using Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's picture directly? Please tell I need help!
The last argument where prabhu mentions Guru is eternal. Does that mean I can get initiated by Lord Brahma? Why stop there…can I get Lord Krsna as my diksa guru?
Did Srila Prabhupada say a diksa-guru is eternal or did he say the guru-tattva is eternal?
@mathurachandradasa @geroldbendix1651 I am planing to open a temple in my town....Can I with my friends and family nominate ourselves as Ritwiks and give diksha using Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's picture directly? Please tell I need help!
Ritwiks are GIVING THEIR OPINION....they are simply manipulating others into their own opinion and concocting Srila Prabhupada's words. Why I am saying this is "Please approach and ask SriMadhu Pandit ji that who has appointed him as a bonafide Ritwik"? you will be shocked to know that none of the 11 bonafide Ritwiks selected by Srila Prabhupada has appointed him. Sri Madhu Pandit ji along with his family and friends nominated themselves as RITWIKs!
Kindly be honest and open-hearted in accepting the Ritvik system as established by our beloved Acharya, Srila Prabhupad. Without sincerely acknowledging and following his clear instructions, especially on such a vital matter, our spiritual journey may not bear the intended fruit.
When one drifts away from humility and true surrender to Srila Prabhupad, the essence of real spirituality is lost. What remains is often just a struggle to maintain material position under the guise of spiritual leadership.
Let us not allow personal ambition or self-concocted ideas to overshadow the divine order of our spiritual master. For genuine spiritual progress, it is essential to remain submissive, sincere, and faithful to Srila Prabhupad’s teachings.
Hare Krishna.
🙏🙏
@geroldbendix1651 I am planing to open a temple in my town....Can I with my friends and family nominate ourselves as Ritwiks and give diksha using Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's picture directly? Please tell I need help!
BHAKTI SIDDHANT SARASWATI WRITES IN 'TRUE CONCEPTION OF SRI GURU TATTVA' AS FOLLOWES:
"This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say 'there is no bonafide Guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future,' is an atheistic opinion."
@himangisingh9128 Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur Maharaja is also existing ETERNALLY ....why not take diksha from HIM directly?
Even Lord Brahma is living...why not take diksha from HIM directly through his picture? He is the originator of Brahma-sampradaya.
Kindly accept the teachings of Sastra and disciplic succession rather than Handful of Self Nominated Ritwiks! (who even themselves have not served Srila Prabhupada directly!)
Now whose verdict to accept: "Srila Prabhupada" OR "Follower of ineligible self appointed Ritwiks"?
"This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say 'there is no bonafide Guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future,' is an atheistic opinion."
1. Give proof that Srila Prabhupada authorized the "Self-selected Ritwiks"?
2. Give Proof that the Ritwiks of Iskcon Bangalore are authorized as per Srila Prabhupada's will or letters.
3. Share some proof wherein Srila BhaktiSiddhanta Thakura Maharaja OR Srila Bhakti Vinoda Thakura Maharaja OR any past Acharya in the disciplic succession vouched for Ritwikism? In none of Srila Prabhupada's books, conversations, letters, etc. has Srila Prabhupada never deviated from teachings of the disciplic succession (Read the ending paragraph of "Bhagvad Gita As It Is" what Srila Prabhupada himself said!)
4. Share a proof or Letter regarding where Srila Prabhupada CLEARLY Stated that "post HIS departure, his disciples should give Diksha directly from Srila Prabhupada's photo or Archa-vigraha" (I want proof, NOT some speculated theory by Ritwiks. )
5. Regarding selection of Guru, whats your take on NOI 1st verse? "A sober person who can tolerate the urge to speak, the mind’s demands, the actions of anger and the urges of the tongue, belly and genitals is qualified to make disciples all over the world." Do you refute this in line with Ritwik Mayawad Philosophy?
6. This one is eye-opening if you consider it with open mind: Can you show a proof wherein Srila BhaktiSiddhanta Saraswati Thakura Maharaja asked Srila Prabhupada to give Diksha OR become Diksha Guru? In your words " just show that direct order." Without showing proof, dont waste my time.
7. As per Bogus Ritwiks Srila Prabbhupada could not make a single pure devotee when HE was personally present. In that sense what hope is there that someone will become pure devotee sitting infront of picture of HDG?
8. A spiritual master has all the right whether to accept or reject a disciple. In that sense, how can you assure that the "disciple" suggested by the bogus self-appointed ritwiks is also accepted by Srila Prabhupada? Show proof
If you have "Authentic Proofs" then simply present the proofs. Otherwise my time is important as well as yours. If you simply want to blindly uphold the bogus self-appointed Ritwik mayawadis due to ENVIOUSNESS and INFLATED EGO, then no need to answer. By blaspheming the sincere senior disciples, the Ritwik mayawadis are stead fastily going to a special place along with their blind followers. This is my last message unless you give proper proofs. Hare Krsna🙏🙏
"This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say 'there is no bonafide Guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future,' is an atheistic opinion."
Srila Prabhupada never ever once mentioned about Ritwikvaad in his thousands of lectures! During 1977, Srila Prabhupada's physical health was deterriorating, the number of devotees who applied for diksha stemmed worldwide....in such a scenario, in response to Srila Prabhupada's replies, the 9th July 1977 letter was compiled by HH Tamal Krsna Goswami Maharaja. "It is te general etiquette that when Guru is present in this world, His disciples don't accept disciples "(these are Srila Prabhupada's word so please dont speculate here!). Hence, considering Srila Prabhupada's health and the number of disksha to be given world wide, 11 authntic RITWIKs were appointed by Srila Prabhupada himself (Iskcon Bangalore appoints RITWIKs by their own choice which is completely absurd!)...Post 9th July 1977 and prior to 14 Nov 1977, Srila Prabhupada again stated about "Grand-disciples or disciples of disciples".
Now, coming to present, true ENVIOUSNESS has been shown by Ritwik leaders!! Because some of the gurus fell down, Ritwik leaders declared all are fallen...such blasphemy!!!!!!! In fact these Ritwik leaders are actually "either OFFENDERS to Srila Prabhupada OR Cheaters". I am saying so because in a way these Ritwiks are indirectly stating they are more powerful than Srila Prabhupada! "What Srila Prabhupada could not do when HE was physically present and by HIS personal training", the Ritwiks leaders claim to achieve that purity through diksha from Srila Prabhupada's archa vigraha!! Does not this ring any bells in your minds?
Did Srila Prabhupada say a diksa-guru is eternal or did he say the guru-tattva is eternal?
Ritwiks are GIVING THEIR OPINION....they are simply manipulating others into their own opinion and concocting Srila Prabhupada's words. Why I am saying this is "Please approach and ask SriMadhu Pandit ji that who has appointed him as a bonafide Ritwik"? you will be shocked to know that none of the 11 bonafide Ritwiks selected by Srila Prabhupada has appointed him. Sri Madhu Pandit ji along with his family and friends nominated themselves as RITWIKs!
Kindly be honest and open-hearted in accepting the Ritvik system as established by our beloved Acharya, Srila Prabhupad. Without sincerely acknowledging and following his clear instructions, especially on such a vital matter, our spiritual journey may not bear the intended fruit.
When one drifts away from humility and true surrender to Srila Prabhupad, the essence of real spirituality is lost. What remains is often just a struggle to maintain material position under the guise of spiritual leadership.
Let us not allow personal ambition or self-concocted ideas to overshadow the divine order of our spiritual master. For genuine spiritual progress, it is essential to remain submissive, sincere, and faithful to Srila Prabhupad’s teachings.
Hare Krishna.
🙏🙏
"This line of guru-parampara is existing up to today without any break and it will continue to exist like this in the future also. To say 'there is no bonafide Guru living in the world at present and neither will there be any in the future,' is an atheistic opinion."
Even Lord Brahma is living...why not take diksha from HIM directly through his picture? He is the originator of Brahma-sampradaya.
Kindly accept the teachings of Sastra and disciplic succession rather than Handful of Self Nominated Ritwiks! (who even themselves have not served Srila Prabhupada directly!)