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    • Part 2 -- Ritvik Debate ISKCON San Diego (early 90's)
      Part 2 -- Ritvik Debate ISKCON San Diego (early 90's)
      Reply 5 years ago thumb_up 1
      Replying to Penlight
      Devotional Service begins by Sravanam or Hearing. Hearing or reading from the correct sources. Then when hearing begins to transform the listener to the point where what is being heard becomes practiced. In such practice initiation is implicit.
      Hare Krishna Prabhu may you please go through the IA77 position paper?
    • Part 2 -- Ritvik Debate ISKCON San Diego (early 90's)
      Part 2 -- Ritvik Debate ISKCON San Diego (early 90's)
      Reply 5 years ago
      Replying to Raj Panchal
      Firstly he openly accepts that he is not qualified then, the only doubt is whether this system has been approved by Shrila Prabhupada or has it been existing previously-

      Shri Chaitanya Charanamrita Adi Lila 12

      TEXT 8

      TEXT

      prathame ta' eka-mata äcäryera gaëa

      päche dui-mata haila daivera käraëa

      SYNONYMS

      prathame—in the beginning; ta'-however; eka-mata—one opinion; äcäryera—of Advaita Äcärya; gaëa—followers; päche—later; dui-mata—two opinions; haila—became; daivera—of providence; käraëa—the cause.

      TRANSLATION

      At first all the followers of Advaita Äcärya shared a single opinion. But later they followed two different opinions, as ordained by providence.

      PURPORT

      The words daivera käraëa indicate that by dint of providence, or by God's will, the followers of Advaita Äcärya divided into two parties. Such disagreement among the disciples of one äcärya is also found among the members of the Gauòéya Maöha. In the beginning, during the presence of Oà Viñëupäda Paramahaàsa Parivräjakäcärya Añöottara-çata Çré Çrémad Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura Prabhupäda, all the disciples worked in agreement; but just after his disappearance, they disagreed. One party strictly followed the instructions of Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura, but another group created their own concoction about executing his desires. Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura, at the time of his departure, requested all his disciples to form a governing body and conduct missionary activities cooperatively. He did not instruct a particular man to become the next äcärya. But just after his passing away, his leading secretaries made plans, without authority, to occupy the post of äcärya, and they split into two factions over who the next äcärya would be. Consequently, both factions were asära, or useless, because they had no authority, having disobeyed the order of the spiritual master. Despite the spiritual master's order to form a governing body and execute the missionary activities of the Gauòéya Maöha, the two unauthorized factions began litigation that is still going on after forty years with no decision.

      Therefore, we do not belong to any faction. But because the two parties, busy dividing the material assets of the Gauòéya Maöha institution, stopped the preaching work, we took up the mission of Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura and Bhaktivinoda Öhäkura to preach the cult of Caitanya Mahäprabhu all over the world, under the protection of all the predecessor äcäryas, and we find that our humble attempt has been successful. We followed the principles especially explained by Çréla Viçvanätha Cakravarté Öhäkura in his commentary on the Bhagavad-gétä verse vyavasäyätmikä buddhir ekeha kuru-nandana. According to this instruction of Viçvanätha Cakravarté Öhäkura, it is the duty of a disciple to follow strictly the orders of his spiritual master. The secret of success in advancement in spiritual life is the firm faith of the disciple in the orders of his spiritual master. The Vedas confirm this:

      yasya deve parä bhaktir

      yathä deve tathä gurau

      tasyaite kathitä hy arthäù

      prakäçante mahätmanaù

      "To one who has staunch faith in the words of the spiritual master and the words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the secret of success in Vedic knowledge is revealed." The Kåñëa consciousness movement is being propagated according to this principle, and therefore our preaching work is going on successfully, in spite of the many impediments offered by antagonistic demons, because we are getting positive help from our previous äcäryas. One must judge every action by its result. The members of the self-appointed äcärya's party who occupied the property of the Gauòéya Maöha are satisfied, but they could make no progress in preaching. Therefore by the result of their actions one should know that they are asära, or useless, whereas the success of the ISKCON party, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, which strictly follows guru and Gauräìga, is increasing daily all over the world. Çréla Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura wanted to print as many books as possible and distribute them all over the world. We have tried our best in this connection, and we are getting results beyond our expectations.

      Please go through the IA77 position paper.
      Kirtananda was exposed by Shri Sulochana das prabhu and he was found to be the cause of his murder, that is why they are not able to say confidently about him anymore.
    • Part 2 -- Ritvik Debate ISKCON San Diego (early 90's)
      Part 2 -- Ritvik Debate ISKCON San Diego (early 90's)
      Comment 5 years ago thumb_up 1
      Firstly he openly accepts that he is not qualified then, the only doubt is whether this system has been approved by Shrila Prabhupada or has it been existing previously-

      Shri Chaitanya Charanamrita Adi Lila 12

      TEXT 8

      TEXT

      prathame ta' eka-mata äcäryera gaëa

      päche dui-mata haila daivera käraëa

      SYNONYMS

      prathame—in the beginning; ta'-however; eka-mata—one opinion; äcäryera—of Advaita Äcärya; gaëa—followers; päche—later; dui-mata—two opinions; haila—became; daivera—of providence; käraëa—the cause.

      TRANSLATION

      At first all the followers of Advaita Äcärya shared a single opinion. But later they followed two different opinions, as ordained by providence.

      PURPORT

      The words daivera käraëa indicate that by dint of providence, or by God's will, the followers of Advaita Äcärya divided into two parties. Such disagreement among the disciples of one äcärya is also found among the members of the Gauòéya Maöha. In the beginning, during the presence of Oà Viñëupäda Paramahaàsa Parivräjakäcärya Añöottara-çata Çré Çrémad Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura Prabhupäda, all the disciples worked in agreement; but just after his disappearance, they disagreed. One party strictly followed the instructions of Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura, but another group created their own concoction about executing his desires. Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura, at the time of his departure, requested all his disciples to form a governing body and conduct missionary activities cooperatively. He did not instruct a particular man to become the next äcärya. But just after his passing away, his leading secretaries made plans, without authority, to occupy the post of äcärya, and they split into two factions over who the next äcärya would be. Consequently, both factions were asära, or useless, because they had no authority, having disobeyed the order of the spiritual master. Despite the spiritual master's order to form a governing body and execute the missionary activities of the Gauòéya Maöha, the two unauthorized factions began litigation that is still going on after forty years with no decision.

      Therefore, we do not belong to any faction. But because the two parties, busy dividing the material assets of the Gauòéya Maöha institution, stopped the preaching work, we took up the mission of Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura and Bhaktivinoda Öhäkura to preach the cult of Caitanya Mahäprabhu all over the world, under the protection of all the predecessor äcäryas, and we find that our humble attempt has been successful. We followed the principles especially explained by Çréla Viçvanätha Cakravarté Öhäkura in his commentary on the Bhagavad-gétä verse vyavasäyätmikä buddhir ekeha kuru-nandana. According to this instruction of Viçvanätha Cakravarté Öhäkura, it is the duty of a disciple to follow strictly the orders of his spiritual master. The secret of success in advancement in spiritual life is the firm faith of the disciple in the orders of his spiritual master. The Vedas confirm this:

      yasya deve parä bhaktir

      yathä deve tathä gurau

      tasyaite kathitä hy arthäù

      prakäçante mahätmanaù

      "To one who has staunch faith in the words of the spiritual master and the words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the secret of success in Vedic knowledge is revealed." The Kåñëa consciousness movement is being propagated according to this principle, and therefore our preaching work is going on successfully, in spite of the many impediments offered by antagonistic demons, because we are getting positive help from our previous äcäryas. One must judge every action by its result. The members of the self-appointed äcärya's party who occupied the property of the Gauòéya Maöha are satisfied, but they could make no progress in preaching. Therefore by the result of their actions one should know that they are asära, or useless, whereas the success of the ISKCON party, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, which strictly follows guru and Gauräìga, is increasing daily all over the world. Çréla Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura wanted to print as many books as possible and distribute them all over the world. We have tried our best in this connection, and we are getting results beyond our expectations.

      Please go through the IA77 position paper.
    • ISKCON Ritvik Debate San Diego - early 1990s
      ISKCON Ritvik Debate San Diego - early 1990s
      Comment 6 years ago
      https://youtu.be/kXTW_zkCEw0?t=4328 blasphemer spotted. He's blaspheming Shrila Prabhupada. Listen the full sentence
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