Just accepting Srila Prabhupada as the real diksa guru is the safest option. There is nothing wrong with it. He is present in his instructions. Srila Prabhupada himself has stated several times that guru-initiation is just formality, and that the real initiation is being serious in chanting Hare Krsna and following the process.
“After the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those faithful to Him kept apart from non devotees, to avoid contamination. Seeing this, the personality of Kali sent his representatives in disguise to pollute the Vaisnava sampradaya. Posing as Vaisnavas, they spread their wicked doctrines, and appeared so intelligent and devoted that only pure devotees could detect their real identity. “
(Which Srila Prabhupada has so kindly pointed out in his talks and books-for our benefit-but if we dont read or hear them-then what??)
Śrī Guru-Tattva and the Secret of Dīkṣā (By: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Prabhupāda)
Sri Guru Tattva and the Secret of Diksa (Part 3)
Rajen Babu: Isn’t the kanistha-adhikari qualified to give initiation into the mantra?
Srila Sarasvati Prabhupada: Where is the kanishtha-adhikari coming from? Who gave him the adhikara? A kanishtha-adhikari can never become a guru.
Rajen Babu: Can a madhyama-adhikari give diksa?
Prabhupada: He can only perform the initial duties of diksa. It is the uttama adhikari maha-bhagavata Vaisnava who is actually the diksa-guru. There are two types of Vaisnavas – the ragatmika and the raganuga. Those who are from the eternal realm offer service to Sri Krsna directly. These ragatmikas serve Sri Varshabhanavi and Her direct expansions. Those who perform direct service to the ragatmikas and take shelter in them through the performance of smarana are raganugas. These are spiritual gurus.
(Page 15)
If the guru becomes attached to sense gratification, loses his sense of duty, and follows a degraded path, a path other than devotional service to the Lord, he should be rejected. (Mahabharata, Udyoga Parva 179.25)
Sept 2 1970 letter.....
I have tried to give you all Krsna Consciousness, now it is your duty to develop it. If you remain strong on the spiritual platform then your progress will not be checked or blocked. I do not know what was resolved in New Vrindavan although Sriman Rupanuga Prabhu has informed others that he has sent a tape in this connection. I am still in darkness about the proceedings in New Vrndavana, but I have heard that Brahmananda is preaching about me that I am Krsna, that I am Supersoul, that I have withdrawn my mercy from the disciples, that I have left the Society and so on. I do not know how far they are correct, but I have written him a letter that he may not do something which may harm the interest of the Society. You are also one of the members of the GBC, so you can think over very deeply how to save the situation. It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society. I have not heard anything from Krsna das or Syamasundara., so all of you may try to save the Society from this dangerous position.
Madhya 24.330 purport....The mahā-bhāgavata is one who decorates his body with tilaka and whose name indicates him to be a servant of Kṛṣṇa by the word dāsa. He is also initiated by a bona fide spiritual master and is expert in worshiping the Deity, chanting mantras correctly, performing sacrifices, offering prayers to the Lord, and performing saṅkīrtana. He knows how to serve the Supreme Personality of Godhead and how to respect a Vaiṣṇava. When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.
Some Conclusions-We can understand from the above, why Srila Bhaktisdhanta maharaja told our Prabhupada and his other GM disciples that it was OK for our Prabhupada to remain "separate" from the Gaudiya matha (GM). Seems trouble was already brewing in the Gaudiya matha.
In these few short quotes it is very clear that a kanistha adhikari devotee can never become guru AND only a pure devotee mahabhagavat Vaisnava CAN become guru/spirituao master/acarya. But how many devotees have understood this? The answer was given above.
NOTE ; The above is compiled by Shriman Damagosha Dasa, a staunch follower of Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.
Guru Krishna n Krishna conciouseness they all are subject of revelation, why speculate. Pray n pray n pray only by mercy there is solution. We're the most spiritual ly educated devotees of the world but if we say just by speculation that there is no more possiblity of pure devotees/ bonafide guru/authority after srila Prabhupada no matter how much you pray n cry then what have we learned? Ask me I will show how srila Prabhupada authorized one of his disciples gouragovinda maharaj n how power full he was.
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sajana Toshani (18.2.13-14)
“After the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those faithful to Him kept apart from non devotees, to avoid contamination. Seeing this, the personality of Kali sent his representatives in disguise to pollute the Vaisnava sampradaya. Posing as Vaisnavas, they spread their wicked doctrines, and appeared so intelligent and devoted that only pure devotees could detect their real identity. “
(Which Srila Prabhupada has so kindly pointed out in his talks and books-for our benefit-but if we dont read or hear them-then what??)
Śrī Guru-Tattva and the Secret of Dīkṣā (By: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Prabhupāda)
Sri Guru Tattva and the Secret of Diksa (Part 3)
Rajen Babu: Isn’t the kanistha-adhikari qualified to give initiation into the mantra?
Srila Sarasvati Prabhupada: Where is the kanishtha-adhikari coming from? Who gave him the adhikara? A kanishtha-adhikari can never become a guru.
Rajen Babu: Can a madhyama-adhikari give diksa?
Prabhupada: He can only perform the initial duties of diksa. It is the uttama adhikari maha-bhagavata Vaisnava who is actually the diksa-guru. There are two types of Vaisnavas – the ragatmika and the raganuga. Those who are from the eternal realm offer service to Sri Krsna directly. These ragatmikas serve Sri Varshabhanavi and Her direct expansions. Those who perform direct service to the ragatmikas and take shelter in them through the performance of smarana are raganugas. These are spiritual gurus.
(Page 15)
If the guru becomes attached to sense gratification, loses his sense of duty, and follows a degraded path, a path other than devotional service to the Lord, he should be rejected. (Mahabharata, Udyoga Parva 179.25)
Sept 2 1970 letter.....
I have tried to give you all Krsna Consciousness, now it is your duty to develop it. If you remain strong on the spiritual platform then your progress will not be checked or blocked. I do not know what was resolved in New Vrindavan although Sriman Rupanuga Prabhu has informed others that he has sent a tape in this connection. I am still in darkness about the proceedings in New Vrndavana, but I have heard that Brahmananda is preaching about me that I am Krsna, that I am Supersoul, that I have withdrawn my mercy from the disciples, that I have left the Society and so on. I do not know how far they are correct, but I have written him a letter that he may not do something which may harm the interest of the Society. You are also one of the members of the GBC, so you can think over very deeply how to save the situation. It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society. I have not heard anything from Krsna das or Syamasundara., so all of you may try to save the Society from this dangerous position.
Madhya 24.330 purport....The mahā-bhāgavata is one who decorates his body with tilaka and whose name indicates him to be a servant of Kṛṣṇa by the word dāsa. He is also initiated by a bona fide spiritual master and is expert in worshiping the Deity, chanting mantras correctly, performing sacrifices, offering prayers to the Lord, and performing saṅkīrtana. He knows how to serve the Supreme Personality of Godhead and how to respect a Vaiṣṇava. When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.
Some Conclusions-We can understand from the above, why Srila Bhaktisdhanta maharaja told our Prabhupada and his other GM disciples that it was OK for our Prabhupada to remain "separate" from the Gaudiya matha (GM). Seems trouble was already brewing in the Gaudiya matha.
In these few short quotes it is very clear that a kanistha adhikari devotee can never become guru AND only a pure devotee mahabhagavat Vaisnava CAN become guru/spirituao master/acarya. But how many devotees have understood this? The answer was given above.
NOTE ; The above is compiled by Shriman Damagosha Dasa, a staunch follower of Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.
Prahlāda Mahārāja, who says, “If I must take some benediction from You, I pray that within the core of my heart there may be no material desires.”
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
@jagabandhunayak6882 How can I say Srila Prabhupada authorized none is in His VANI - instructions. You need to read Srila Prabhupada's Instructions. If you are not reading Srila Prabhupada's BOOKS non-adulterated, letters, lectures etc.etc., you are lost. You need to follow through Srila Prabhupada's VANI as it is to make your life sublime in cultivating Krishna Consciousness. Hope you do read and follow through if you are sincere and serious. OM TAT SAT.
Prahlāda Mahārāja, who says, “If I must take some benediction from You, I pray that within the core of my heart there may be no material desires.”
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
@jagabandhunayak6882 If you accept what you say " Only guru has authority to correct."
then, why not accept Srila Prabhupada's Instructions what he says as quoted in my comments ? Do you accept Srila Prabhupada's Instructions ? If yes, then, reject all non-sense and simply take shelter in the Srila Prabhupada's VANI as it is. That is desirable. Isn't it ? Where is the problem ? OM TAT SAT.
Prahlāda Mahārāja, who says, “If I must take some benediction from You, I pray that within the core of my heart there may be no material desires.”
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
@jagabandhunayak6882 ; A bonafide realised soul - Spiritually advanced personality follows through the previous i.e. his Spiritual Master's Instructions, in this case Srila Prabhupada's Instructions as Srila Prabhupada himself followed the Instructions of His Gurumaharaja Srila Bhakti Sidhanta Sarsvati Goswami Thakur.
In this way, any Spiritually advanced personality protects and promotes the bonafide Instructions of the Acaraya in the disciplic succession. The present Acaraya His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada did not authorise any of his disciples as a Successor Guru but he left the instructions to be carried forward in the system of continued Initiations on going while he is absent. So, where is the problem for a Spiritually advanced devotee not to follow through His Guru's Instructions ? Unless the person has a personal motive of some sort to become guru himself. Is it NOT true ? It means simply that he becomes attached to sense gratification. Therefore, he is not an advanced personality. Please read the following quote ;
" If the guru becomes attached to sense gratification, loses his sense of duty, and follows a degraded path, a path other than devotional service to the Lord, he should be rejected." (Mahabharata, Udyoga Parva 179.25)
Prahlāda Mahārāja, who says, “If I must take some benediction from You, I pray that within the core of my heart there may be no material desires.”
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
“After the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those faithful to Him kept apart from non devotees, to avoid contamination. Seeing this, the personality of Kali sent his representatives in disguise to pollute the Vaisnava sampradaya. Posing as Vaisnavas, they spread their wicked doctrines, and appeared so intelligent and devoted that only pure devotees could detect their real identity. “
(Which Srila Prabhupada has so kindly pointed out in his talks and books-for our benefit-but if we dont read or hear them-then what??)
Śrī Guru-Tattva and the Secret of Dīkṣā (By: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Prabhupāda)
Sri Guru Tattva and the Secret of Diksa (Part 3)
Rajen Babu: Isn’t the kanistha-adhikari qualified to give initiation into the mantra?
Srila Sarasvati Prabhupada: Where is the kanishtha-adhikari coming from? Who gave him the adhikara? A kanishtha-adhikari can never become a guru.
Rajen Babu: Can a madhyama-adhikari give diksa?
Prabhupada: He can only perform the initial duties of diksa. It is the uttama adhikari maha-bhagavata Vaisnava who is actually the diksa-guru. There are two types of Vaisnavas – the ragatmika and the raganuga. Those who are from the eternal realm offer service to Sri Krsna directly. These ragatmikas serve Sri Varshabhanavi and Her direct expansions. Those who perform direct service to the ragatmikas and take shelter in them through the performance of smarana are raganugas. These are spiritual gurus.
(Page 15)
If the guru becomes attached to sense gratification, loses his sense of duty, and follows a degraded path, a path other than devotional service to the Lord, he should be rejected. (Mahabharata, Udyoga Parva 179.25)
Sept 2 1970 letter.....
I have tried to give you all Krsna Consciousness, now it is your duty to develop it. If you remain strong on the spiritual platform then your progress will not be checked or blocked. I do not know what was resolved in New Vrindavan although Sriman Rupanuga Prabhu has informed others that he has sent a tape in this connection. I am still in darkness about the proceedings in New Vrndavana, but I have heard that Brahmananda is preaching about me that I am Krsna, that I am Supersoul, that I have withdrawn my mercy from the disciples, that I have left the Society and so on. I do not know how far they are correct, but I have written him a letter that he may not do something which may harm the interest of the Society. You are also one of the members of the GBC, so you can think over very deeply how to save the situation. It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society. I have not heard anything from Krsna das or Syamasundara., so all of you may try to save the Society from this dangerous position.
Madhya 24.330 purport....The mahā-bhāgavata is one who decorates his body with tilaka and whose name indicates him to be a servant of Kṛṣṇa by the word dāsa. He is also initiated by a bona fide spiritual master and is expert in worshiping the Deity, chanting mantras correctly, performing sacrifices, offering prayers to the Lord, and performing saṅkīrtana. He knows how to serve the Supreme Personality of Godhead and how to respect a Vaiṣṇava. When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.
Some Conclusions-We can understand from the above, why Srila Bhaktisdhanta maharaja told our Prabhupada and his other GM disciples that it was OK for our Prabhupada to remain "separate" from the Gaudiya matha (GM). Seems trouble was already brewing in the Gaudiya matha.
In these few short quotes it is very clear that a kanistha adhikari devotee can never become guru AND only a pure devotee mahabhagavat Vaisnava CAN become guru/spirituao master/acarya. But how many devotees have understood this? The answer was given above.
NOTE ; The above is compiled by Shriman Damagosha Dasa, a staunch follower of Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.
When your Mind is disturbed, you create the disturbance unnecessarily to satisfy the whims of the disturbed Mind. Mind represents your false ego which covers ones analytical approach to the Intelligence. This is exactly shown by the followers of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada who are not disturbed whereas the audience creates the disturbance and it is handled very intelligently by the devotees. Of course, Srila Prabhupada is never disturbed at all, and the answers to the questions are given accordingly so that the answers may satisfy to the disturbed Mind in order to penetrate the intelligence. The seeds of Krsna Consciousness have been planted in the Mind of these disturbed Jivas, persons who participated in the discourse during the preaching. No doubt about that. So, as much as the preaching looks not very successful, it is, indeed, a successful because these Mudhas chanted Krsna'a name during conversation. That is success. Is it NOT ? Hare Krishna. Jai Srila Prabhupada. OM TAT SAT.
" A person who in this life bears false witness or lies while transacting business or giving charity is severely punished after death by the agents of Yamarāja. Such a sinful man is taken to the top of a mountain eight hundred miles high and thrown headfirst into the hell known as Avīcimat. This hell has no shelter and is made of strong stone resembling the waves of water. There is no water there, however, and thus it is called Avīcimat [waterless]. Although the sinful man is repeatedly thrown from the mountain and his body broken to tiny pieces, he still does not die but continuously suffers chastisement."
So, by hook or crook, maintain your FALSE Prestige, Position, Adoration, Distinction simply for Profit, and suffer the consequences as explained in the above Sloka. It is your Individual choice. OM TAT SAT.
" A person who in this life bears false witness or lies while transacting business or giving charity is severely punished after death by the agents of Yamarāja. Such a sinful man is taken to the top of a mountain eight hundred miles high and thrown headfirst into the hell known as Avīcimat. This hell has no shelter and is made of strong stone resembling the waves of water. There is no water there, however, and thus it is called Avīcimat [waterless]. Although the sinful man is repeatedly thrown from the mountain and his body broken to tiny pieces, he still does not die but continuously suffers chastisement."
So, by hook or crook, maintain your FALSE Prestige, Position, Adoration, Distinction simply for Profit, and suffer the consequences as explained in the above Sloka. It is your Individual choice. OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare,
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.
Jai Srila Prabhupada His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedenta Swami, our Jagat Guru Maharaja ki Jaya. Glory to His Sincere Devotees and Followers all over the World following His VANI and preaching selflessly the Love of Godhead Sri Sri Gura Nitai Ki Jaya. Hare Krishna.
“After the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those faithful to Him kept apart from non devotees, to avoid contamination. Seeing this, the personality of Kali sent his representatives in disguise to pollute the Vaisnava sampradaya. Posing as Vaisnavas, they spread their wicked doctrines, and appeared so intelligent and devoted that only pure devotees could detect their real identity. “
(Which Srila Prabhupada has so kindly pointed out in his talks and books-for our benefit-but if we dont read or hear them-then what??)
Śrī Guru-Tattva and the Secret of Dīkṣā (By: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Prabhupāda)
Sri Guru Tattva and the Secret of Diksa (Part 3)
Rajen Babu: Isn’t the kanistha-adhikari qualified to give initiation into the mantra?
Srila Sarasvati Prabhupada: Where is the kanishtha-adhikari coming from? Who gave him the adhikara? A kanishtha-adhikari can never become a guru.
Rajen Babu: Can a madhyama-adhikari give diksa?
Prabhupada: He can only perform the initial duties of diksa. It is the uttama adhikari maha-bhagavata Vaisnava who is actually the diksa-guru. There are two types of Vaisnavas – the ragatmika and the raganuga. Those who are from the eternal realm offer service to Sri Krsna directly. These ragatmikas serve Sri Varshabhanavi and Her direct expansions. Those who perform direct service to the ragatmikas and take shelter in them through the performance of smarana are raganugas. These are spiritual gurus.
(Page 15)
If the guru becomes attached to sense gratification, loses his sense of duty, and follows a degraded path, a path other than devotional service to the Lord, he should be rejected. (Mahabharata, Udyoga Parva 179.25)
Sept 2 1970 letter.....
I have tried to give you all Krsna Consciousness, now it is your duty to develop it. If you remain strong on the spiritual platform then your progress will not be checked or blocked. I do not know what was resolved in New Vrindavan although Sriman Rupanuga Prabhu has informed others that he has sent a tape in this connection. I am still in darkness about the proceedings in New Vrndavana, but I have heard that Brahmananda is preaching about me that I am Krsna, that I am Supersoul, that I have withdrawn my mercy from the disciples, that I have left the Society and so on. I do not know how far they are correct, but I have written him a letter that he may not do something which may harm the interest of the Society. You are also one of the members of the GBC, so you can think over very deeply how to save the situation. It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society. I have not heard anything from Krsna das or Syamasundara., so all of you may try to save the Society from this dangerous position.
Madhya 24.330 purport....The mahā-bhāgavata is one who decorates his body with tilaka and whose name indicates him to be a servant of Kṛṣṇa by the word dāsa. He is also initiated by a bona fide spiritual master and is expert in worshiping the Deity, chanting mantras correctly, performing sacrifices, offering prayers to the Lord, and performing saṅkīrtana. He knows how to serve the Supreme Personality of Godhead and how to respect a Vaiṣṇava. When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.
Some Conclusions-We can understand from the above, why Srila Bhaktisdhanta maharaja told our Prabhupada and his other GM disciples that it was OK for our Prabhupada to remain "separate" from the Gaudiya matha (GM). Seems trouble was already brewing in the Gaudiya matha.
In these few short quotes it is very clear that a kanistha adhikari devotee can never become guru AND only a pure devotee mahabhagavat Vaisnava CAN become guru/spirituao master/acarya. But how many devotees have understood this? The answer was given above.
NOTE ; The above is compiled by Shriman Damagosha Dasa, a staunch follower of Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
ys...... amar puri.
“After the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those faithful to Him kept apart from non devotees, to avoid contamination. Seeing this, the personality of Kali sent his representatives in disguise to pollute the Vaisnava sampradaya. Posing as Vaisnavas, they spread their wicked doctrines, and appeared so intelligent and devoted that only pure devotees could detect their real identity. “
(Which Srila Prabhupada has so kindly pointed out in his talks and books-for our benefit-but if we dont read or hear them-then what??)
Śrī Guru-Tattva and the Secret of Dīkṣā (By: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Prabhupāda)
Sri Guru Tattva and the Secret of Diksa (Part 3)
Rajen Babu: Isn’t the kanistha-adhikari qualified to give initiation into the mantra?
Srila Sarasvati Prabhupada: Where is the kanishtha-adhikari coming from? Who gave him the adhikara? A kanishtha-adhikari can never become a guru.
Rajen Babu: Can a madhyama-adhikari give diksa?
Prabhupada: He can only perform the initial duties of diksa. It is the uttama adhikari maha-bhagavata Vaisnava who is actually the diksa-guru. There are two types of Vaisnavas – the ragatmika and the raganuga. Those who are from the eternal realm offer service to Sri Krsna directly. These ragatmikas serve Sri Varshabhanavi and Her direct expansions. Those who perform direct service to the ragatmikas and take shelter in them through the performance of smarana are raganugas. These are spiritual gurus.
(Page 15)
If the guru becomes attached to sense gratification, loses his sense of duty, and follows a degraded path, a path other than devotional service to the Lord, he should be rejected. (Mahabharata, Udyoga Parva 179.25)
Sept 2 1970 letter.....
I have tried to give you all Krsna Consciousness, now it is your duty to develop it. If you remain strong on the spiritual platform then your progress will not be checked or blocked. I do not know what was resolved in New Vrindavan although Sriman Rupanuga Prabhu has informed others that he has sent a tape in this connection. I am still in darkness about the proceedings in New Vrndavana, but I have heard that Brahmananda is preaching about me that I am Krsna, that I am Supersoul, that I have withdrawn my mercy from the disciples, that I have left the Society and so on. I do not know how far they are correct, but I have written him a letter that he may not do something which may harm the interest of the Society. You are also one of the members of the GBC, so you can think over very deeply how to save the situation. It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society. I have not heard anything from Krsna das or Syamasundara., so all of you may try to save the Society from this dangerous position.
Madhya 24.330 purport....The mahā-bhāgavata is one who decorates his body with tilaka and whose name indicates him to be a servant of Kṛṣṇa by the word dāsa. He is also initiated by a bona fide spiritual master and is expert in worshiping the Deity, chanting mantras correctly, performing sacrifices, offering prayers to the Lord, and performing saṅkīrtana. He knows how to serve the Supreme Personality of Godhead and how to respect a Vaiṣṇava. When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.
Some Conclusions-We can understand from the above, why Srila Bhaktisdhanta maharaja told our Prabhupada and his other GM disciples that it was OK for our Prabhupada to remain "separate" from the Gaudiya matha (GM). Seems trouble was already brewing in the Gaudiya matha.
In these few short quotes it is very clear that a kanistha adhikari devotee can never become guru AND only a pure devotee mahabhagavat Vaisnava CAN become guru/spirituao master/acarya. But how many devotees have understood this? The answer was given above.
NOTE ; The above is compiled by Shriman Damagosha Dasa, a staunch follower of Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
ys...... amar puri.
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
then, why not accept Srila Prabhupada's Instructions what he says as quoted in my comments ? Do you accept Srila Prabhupada's Instructions ? If yes, then, reject all non-sense and simply take shelter in the Srila Prabhupada's VANI as it is. That is desirable. Isn't it ? Where is the problem ? OM TAT SAT.
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
In this way, any Spiritually advanced personality protects and promotes the bonafide Instructions of the Acaraya in the disciplic succession. The present Acaraya His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada did not authorise any of his disciples as a Successor Guru but he left the instructions to be carried forward in the system of continued Initiations on going while he is absent. So, where is the problem for a Spiritually advanced devotee not to follow through His Guru's Instructions ? Unless the person has a personal motive of some sort to become guru himself. Is it NOT true ? It means simply that he becomes attached to sense gratification. Therefore, he is not an advanced personality. Please read the following quote ;
" If the guru becomes attached to sense gratification, loses his sense of duty, and follows a degraded path, a path other than devotional service to the Lord, he should be rejected." (Mahabharata, Udyoga Parva 179.25)
So these Iskcon gurus of all kinds in shape, size and style did not learn any transcendental knowledge of understanding with regard to serve Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada let alone serving the Lord. No Material Desire, even becoming a Guru replacing Srila Prabhupada when He did not authorize any of his disciples as a successor to become guru is not a sign of a Kanishtha platform. So, how any body at the lowest platform in the disguise of a Vaishnava become guru and accept disciples. That is a pure Cheating. Only a Cheater get cheated by these so called gurus because the disciples are not sincere like their guru. It is very simple. Only Srila Prabhupada is the Pure Devotee who is present in His VANI while VAPU is absent. That is it and that's all. OM TAT SAT. Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
“After the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those faithful to Him kept apart from non devotees, to avoid contamination. Seeing this, the personality of Kali sent his representatives in disguise to pollute the Vaisnava sampradaya. Posing as Vaisnavas, they spread their wicked doctrines, and appeared so intelligent and devoted that only pure devotees could detect their real identity. “
(Which Srila Prabhupada has so kindly pointed out in his talks and books-for our benefit-but if we dont read or hear them-then what??)
Śrī Guru-Tattva and the Secret of Dīkṣā (By: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Prabhupāda)
Sri Guru Tattva and the Secret of Diksa (Part 3)
Rajen Babu: Isn’t the kanistha-adhikari qualified to give initiation into the mantra?
Srila Sarasvati Prabhupada: Where is the kanishtha-adhikari coming from? Who gave him the adhikara? A kanishtha-adhikari can never become a guru.
Rajen Babu: Can a madhyama-adhikari give diksa?
Prabhupada: He can only perform the initial duties of diksa. It is the uttama adhikari maha-bhagavata Vaisnava who is actually the diksa-guru. There are two types of Vaisnavas – the ragatmika and the raganuga. Those who are from the eternal realm offer service to Sri Krsna directly. These ragatmikas serve Sri Varshabhanavi and Her direct expansions. Those who perform direct service to the ragatmikas and take shelter in them through the performance of smarana are raganugas. These are spiritual gurus.
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If the guru becomes attached to sense gratification, loses his sense of duty, and follows a degraded path, a path other than devotional service to the Lord, he should be rejected. (Mahabharata, Udyoga Parva 179.25)
Sept 2 1970 letter.....
I have tried to give you all Krsna Consciousness, now it is your duty to develop it. If you remain strong on the spiritual platform then your progress will not be checked or blocked. I do not know what was resolved in New Vrindavan although Sriman Rupanuga Prabhu has informed others that he has sent a tape in this connection. I am still in darkness about the proceedings in New Vrndavana, but I have heard that Brahmananda is preaching about me that I am Krsna, that I am Supersoul, that I have withdrawn my mercy from the disciples, that I have left the Society and so on. I do not know how far they are correct, but I have written him a letter that he may not do something which may harm the interest of the Society. You are also one of the members of the GBC, so you can think over very deeply how to save the situation. It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society. I have not heard anything from Krsna das or Syamasundara., so all of you may try to save the Society from this dangerous position.
Madhya 24.330 purport....The mahā-bhāgavata is one who decorates his body with tilaka and whose name indicates him to be a servant of Kṛṣṇa by the word dāsa. He is also initiated by a bona fide spiritual master and is expert in worshiping the Deity, chanting mantras correctly, performing sacrifices, offering prayers to the Lord, and performing saṅkīrtana. He knows how to serve the Supreme Personality of Godhead and how to respect a Vaiṣṇava. When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.
Some Conclusions-We can understand from the above, why Srila Bhaktisdhanta maharaja told our Prabhupada and his other GM disciples that it was OK for our Prabhupada to remain "separate" from the Gaudiya matha (GM). Seems trouble was already brewing in the Gaudiya matha.
In these few short quotes it is very clear that a kanistha adhikari devotee can never become guru AND only a pure devotee mahabhagavat Vaisnava CAN become guru/spirituao master/acarya. But how many devotees have understood this? The answer was given above.
NOTE ; The above is compiled by Shriman Damagosha Dasa, a staunch follower of Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
ys...... amar puri.
TRANSLATION
" A person who in this life bears false witness or lies while transacting business or giving charity is severely punished after death by the agents of Yamarāja. Such a sinful man is taken to the top of a mountain eight hundred miles high and thrown headfirst into the hell known as Avīcimat. This hell has no shelter and is made of strong stone resembling the waves of water. There is no water there, however, and thus it is called Avīcimat [waterless]. Although the sinful man is repeatedly thrown from the mountain and his body broken to tiny pieces, he still does not die but continuously suffers chastisement."
So, by hook or crook, maintain your FALSE Prestige, Position, Adoration, Distinction simply for Profit, and suffer the consequences as explained in the above Sloka. It is your Individual choice. OM TAT SAT.
TRANSLATION
" A person who in this life bears false witness or lies while transacting business or giving charity is severely punished after death by the agents of Yamarāja. Such a sinful man is taken to the top of a mountain eight hundred miles high and thrown headfirst into the hell known as Avīcimat. This hell has no shelter and is made of strong stone resembling the waves of water. There is no water there, however, and thus it is called Avīcimat [waterless]. Although the sinful man is repeatedly thrown from the mountain and his body broken to tiny pieces, he still does not die but continuously suffers chastisement."
So, by hook or crook, maintain your FALSE Prestige, Position, Adoration, Distinction simply for Profit, and suffer the consequences as explained in the above Sloka. It is your Individual choice. OM TAT SAT.
prabhu nityananda
sri-adwaita gadadhara
shrivasadi-gaura-bhakta-vrinda
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare,
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.
Jai Srila Prabhupada His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedenta Swami, our Jagat Guru Maharaja ki Jaya. Glory to His Sincere Devotees and Followers all over the World following His VANI and preaching selflessly the Love of Godhead Sri Sri Gura Nitai Ki Jaya. Hare Krishna.