Ranjeet Singh Chauhan

@gaurange1087 Read about kartabhaj sahajiya. You will understand it better .

@KcClips Don't do mental speculation rather present some evidence for ritvik system. 😊

I will save this debate for future reference.

Ritviks were smashed left and right on this debate.

You are like a misguided missile.😊

Get your facts right under proper guidance.

Ritvik group is trying to save their face by putting counter argument. They don't have single evidence to establish ritvik system.

If anything is unclear we have to go through the general law. But, ritvik group is adamant on their part and is reluctant to accept authority.

I would recommend you to discuss in person from any ISKCON temple and ritvik group of temple then decide yourself what is correct.

For me it's clear. Ritvik system is bogus and don't have any single evidence.

It is dominating only for you. 😊 Ritvik group don't have single evidence to establish the bogus system of initiation.

Nice way to save your face.

Ritvik system will disappear in future very soon. They are just group of devotees who are reluctant to accept teachings of Srila Prabhupada and our previous Acharya.

@KrishnaTube With due respect prabhu, don't try to judge other senior devotees of Srila Prabhupada on how much they are surrendered. Srila Prabhupada disciples are working day and night to make this society run and expand continuously.

You should worry about your own level of surrender and not others. Let people decide by themselves how bogus is this ritvik system.

@gourangaprod Neither it says it will continue permanently.

In the conversation with GBC Prabhupada clearly states this "That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru,"

Please take in consideration all the Writings of Prabhupada before coming to any incorrect conclusion.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

If some confusion is there we have to take help of shastra and Sadhu. But, the problem is ritviks don't feel any need to consult either of them and become fanatics.

Thus, breaking the iskcon into parts against the will of Srila Prabhupada.

@gourangaprod Do you have the order where Srila Prabhupada days ritvik system will continue after my departure and I will be the only spiritual master?

Srila Prabhupada has framed GBC for making decisions. He does not say that follow my letter and discard GBC.

@gourangaprod Srila Prabhupada disciples know better than you and me what Srila Prabhupada wanted.

Just have faith in dear disciples of Srila Prabhupada who are carrying the order till their last breath. These conspiracy theories and ritvik system of initiation has its root in being senior devotees falling away.

There are many conversations and personal dealings of Srila Prabhupada where he clearly told that all of his disciples to become guru. His vision was like that. And, he stated in 9th July letter also till Spiritual master is present disciple can not become guru. What more evidence you want?

Srila Prabhupada could not officially order but he wanted his sincere disciples to carry on this disciplic succession forward.

On contrary there is no evidence in shastra for this bogus ritvik initiation. Neither, Srila Prabhupada ordered to carry ritvik initiation after his departure.

I am amazed how people can accept ritvik initiation. It just needs little faith and shastric knowledge to understand what was mood of Srila Prabhupada and what he desired.

@gourangaprod Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to continue the parampara and he has indicated it in many GBC meetings and discussions. Also, he mentioned that with my order. But, He never allowed the ritvik system to continue after his departure.

He wanted the disciplic succession to continue but as his health was not good enough, he appointed ritvik Acharyas. This does not give license to continue that system permanently and stopping the disciplic succession.

There are 2 things Letter & Spirit.

We agree there were falll downs but that does not give license to continue the ritvik system illegally. There is no concrete evidence for that. When there is some confusion over some things we should refer shastra and sadhu.

There is no instance in scriptures to support ritvik system neither in past any of our acharyas practiced it.

@gourangaprod GBC not does elects Guru. It's not so easy to become guru as you think. GBC approves it at last.

Srila Prabhupada always wanted his disciples to become Guru but not in his presence. There are many writings of Srila Prabhupada over this. Prabhupada appointed 11 ritviks to carry on initiation when Prabhupada was present in his vapu form.

But later many fell from their position as they fall prey to maya and took role of spiritual master immaturely.

But, GBC has served it's purpose for which Srila Prabhupada formed it and saved ISKCON from breaking apart. Thus, keeping devotees faith intact.

@gourangaprod Yes, I don't deny wrong things didn't happen. But, we can not break apart ISKCON over the fall down of devotees. Even during Srila Prabhupada time also many devotees left.

We have to try to improve the situations amongst devotees and create favourable environment to practice devotional service. GBC is formed bt Srila Prabhupada to save ISKCON from breaking apart after seeing the condition of gaudiya math

But, ritviks did the same thing and broke ISKCON. At present ISKCON preaching is flourishing by mercy of Chaitanya mahaprabhu and now leadership is taking proper steps in that direction.

@fallen_soul778 Ohhhhh

You are so knowledgeable.

Wonderful !!!!

I didn't know all srila Prabhupada disciples were forced out.

Can you name 50 disciples out of hundreds who were forced out?

Also, can you name 50 disciples of Srila Prabhupada who are with ritviks?

@fallen_soul778 How many Srila Prabhupada disciples are there with ritviks?

Hari Bol!!!;

They think they are more intelligent than disciples of Srila Prabhupada. One devotee from the video at 18.40 is on ISKCON now.

After hearing their arguments I can imagine how immature they are in the real understanding of person Bhagwat.

I pray to lord one day they can come to shelter of ISKCON movement