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Hazel O'Connor would have made a good movie for Bhagavan, except that she and Ritasya became angry and retreated with the footage. Ritasya finished the documentary at the National Film and Television School, weaving her longing for spirituality with the practice of guru foot-bathing and institutional chauvinsim. In one remarkable scene, Bhagavan's minister (is it Dhristaduymna Swami?) berates the women about their lack of submission to male authority.
The London Times and Daily Review praised the documentary. Writing for Film and TV Technician, Bob Dunbar said, "The strained sincerity of the devotees and the complacent fascism of their leader were hilariously horrifying. The relentless insistence on the divine necessity of total humility, demanded by a hierarchy utterly devoid of that quality, resulted in unconscious self-satire almost beyond belief."
Ironically, Bhagavan blooped within a year after this film was broadcast."
Henry Doktorski, Killing for Krishna
Woman: Very
M: Why do you think?
W: It seems that everything I start to try to do for you, I start to do it and then it gets either taken away or somebody comes in, or not told and everything then falls apart, and so you know it happens once, it happens twice, so you tolerate it, but its becoming just the whole pattern of everything.
M: Well the point is that there is a principle which we’re missing and that is that because you keep yourself isolated from the devotees and even with Maharaj, the ability to communicate is breaking down. See its not just the few devotees that you’re attached to. Its even Maharaj and even me, you feel that no one can understand that you’re the best one to understand you, and no one can understand you. But, if you are going to take a spiritual master then you have to at least to try to take his instruction first, almost like its axiomatic, it’s complete and it’s perfect for you. If we want to denigrate the position of the spiritual master to just someone who’s just got an opinion and he has his opinion and I have my opinion, now certainly there is some discussion. But ultimately there is Siddhanta, there is conclusion, and you always have to accept the conclusion. Just like Arjuna had to ultimately accept the conclusion of the Bhagavad Gita, so if I speak to you or some older devotee like Maharaj is speaking to you and you just refuse to accept that, then experience what it’s like and you do experience what it’s like, wheneve you just refuse to accept, you become completely disheartened, even though you’re using that independance and you’ve seen when actually you’ve succes.. you have accepted and you did it in a humble mood, and actually Krishna’s giving you success.
W: “I don’t want you think, what a [unclear].. its just like.. I want to be something. I want to do something in the world
M: But do you possibly think you’re going to possibly be able to do that without any instruction on how to do that
W: I’m always learning from you, always.
M: Listening to tapes is one thing, but when we’re talking about how to do your specific service. That’s another sort of class. And you’re attached to doing it right that you don’t check before and you don’t check after, you learn just how to check with me, or Maharaj, or others.
W: Would you get tired of checking all the time
M: Just like a cook, a cook Prabhypad said, just like a cook when he’s finished cooking, he’s supposed to go out, personally serve it himself and then after everyone takes, he’s suposed to ask if everyone enjoyed it. And if anyone had some complaint, he’s supposed to listen to it, not just do things because I cooked it and I worked hard in the kitchen therefore everyone has to like it. There has to be some preparation.
W: Well that’s easy. That’s easy
M: Well that’s all, if you could just do that you would find a big big difference, you’re making it more complicated than you have to
W: I thought it was going to..
M: Don’t you want to please the devotees?
W: Oh yeah. M: Don’t you want to me? So then, if you just go and practice a little humility and ask everyone how they thought it was, you’ll find and what more you could do if you just adopt this little humble attitude
W: But that’s [unclear]
M: But don’t you want to do it
W: I can do that
M: If you read Bhagavad Gita, the first quality of knowledge is humility.
What the hell is this conversation. This is gaslighting, narcissism and emotional manipulation. He did not listen to her concerns whatsoever and just told her it was her fault for not being submissive. Again, patriarchal misogyny.
Woman: Very
M: Why do you think?
W: It seems that everything I start to try to do for you, I start to do it and then it gets either taken away or somebody comes in, or not told and everything then falls apart, and so you know it happens once, it happens twice, so you tolerate it, but its becoming just the whole pattern of everything.
M: Well the point is that there is a principle which we’re missing and that is that because you keep yourself isolated from the devotees and even with Maharaj, the ability to communicate is breaking down. See its not just the few devotees that you’re attached to. Its even Maharaj and even me, you feel that no one can understand that you’re the best one to understand you, and no one can understand you. But, if you are going to take a spiritual master then you have to at least to try to take his instruction first, almost like its axiomatic, it’s complete and it’s perfect for you. If we want to denigrate the position of the spiritual master to just someone who’s just got an opinion and he has his opinion and I have my opinion, now certainly there is some discussion. But ultimately there is Siddhanta, there is conclusion, and you always have to accept the conclusion. Just like Arjuna had to ultimately accept the conclusion of the Bhagavad Gita, so if I speak to you or some older devotee like Maharaj is speaking to you and you just refuse to accept that, then experience what it’s like and you do experience what it’s like, wheneve you just refuse to accept, you become completely disheartened, even though you’re using that independance and you’ve seen when actually you’ve succes.. you have accepted and you did it in a humble mood, and actually Krishna’s giving you success.
W: “I don’t want you think, what a [unclear].. its just like.. I want to be something. I want to do something in the world
M: But do you possibly think you’re going to possibly be able to do that without any instruction on how to do that
W: I’m always learning from you, always.
M: Listening to tapes is one thing, but when we’re talking about how to do your specific service. That’s another sort of class. And you’re attached to doing it right that you don’t check before and you don’t check after, you learn just how to check with me, or Maharaj, or others.
W: Would you get tired of checking all the time
M: Just like a cook, a cook Prabhypad said, just like a cook when he’s finished cooking, he’s supposed to go out, personally serve it himself and then after everyone takes, he’s suposed to ask if everyone enjoyed it. And if anyone had some complaint, he’s supposed to listen to it, not just do things because I cooked it and I worked hard in the kitchen therefore everyone has to like it. There has to be some preparation.
W: Well that’s easy. That’s easy
M: Well that’s all, if you could just do that you would find a big big difference, you’re making it more complicated than you have to
W: I thought it was going to..
M: Don’t you want to please the devotees?
W: Oh yeah. M: Don’t you want to me? So then, if you just go and practice a little humility and ask everyone how they thought it was, you’ll find and what more you could do if you just adopt this little humble attitude
W: But that’s [unclear]
M: But don’t you want to do it
W: I can do that
M: If you read Bhagavad Gita, the first quality of knowledge is humility.
What the hell is this conversation. This is gaslighting, narcissism and emotional manipulation. He did not listen to her concerns whatsoever and just told her it was her fault for not being submissive. Again, patriarchal misogyny.
Woman: Very
M: Why do you think?
W: It seems that everything I start to try to do for you, I start to do it and then it gets either taken away or somebody comes in, or not told and everything then falls apart, and so you know it happens once, it happens twice, so you tolerate it, but its becoming just the whole pattern of everything.
M: Well the point is that there is a principle which we’re missing and that is that because you keep yourself isolated from the devotees and even with Maharaj, the ability to communicate is breaking down. See its not just the few devotees that you’re attached to. Its even Maharaj and even me, you feel that no one can understand that you’re the best one to understand you, and no one can understand you. But, if you are going to take a spiritual master then you have to at least to try to take his instruction first, almost like its axiomatic, it’s complete and it’s perfect for you. If we want to denigrate the position of the spiritual master to just someone who’s just got an opinion and he has his opinion and I have my opinion, now certainly there is some discussion. But ultimately there is Siddhanta, there is conclusion, and you always have to accept the conclusion. Just like Arjuna had to ultimately accept the conclusion of the Bhagavad Gita, so if I speak to you or some older devotee like Maharaj is speaking to you and you just refuse to accept that, then experience what it’s like and you do experience what it’s like, wheneve you just refuse to accept, you become completely disheartened, even though you’re using that independance and you’ve seen when actually you’ve succes.. you have accepted and you did it in a humble mood, and actually Krishna’s giving you success.
W: “I don’t want you think, what a [unclear].. its just like.. I want to be something. I want to do something in the world
M: But do you possibly think you’re going to possibly be able to do that without any instruction on how to do that
W: I’m always learning from you, always.
M: Listening to tapes is one thing, but when we’re talking about how to do your specific service. That’s another sort of class. And you’re attached to doing it right that you don’t check before and you don’t check after, you learn just how to check with me, or Maharaj, or others.
W: Would you get tired of checking all the time
M: Just like a cook, a cook Prabhypad said, just like a cook when he’s finished cooking, he’s supposed to go out, personally serve it himself and then after everyone takes, he’s suposed to ask if everyone enjoyed it. And if anyone had some complaint, he’s supposed to listen to it, not just do things because I cooked it and I worked hard in the kitchen therefore everyone has to like it. There has to be some preparation.
W: Well that’s easy. That’s easy
M: Well that’s all, if you could just do that you would find a big big difference, you’re making it more complicated than you have to
W: I thought it was going to..
M: Don’t you want to please the devotees?
W: Oh yeah. M: Don’t you want to me? So then, if you just go and practice a little humility and ask everyone how they thought it was, you’ll find and what more you could do if you just adopt this little humble attitude
W: But that’s [unclear]
M: But don’t you want to do it
W: I can do that
M: If you read Bhagavad Gita, the first quality of knowledge is humility.
What the hell is this conversation. This is gaslighting, narcissism and emotional manipulation. He did not listen to her concerns whatsoever and just told her it was her fault for not being submissive. Again, patriarchal misogyny.
"Sincere. You know the serious thing? The serious thing is that concrete beneath my bloody ass. Right? Now that is sincere. Now that is honesty. That's my only bet. I don't get stuff from no one. I don't accept it. I don't want it. I don't want no drop of soup. They get such concessions. I get nothing"
This is pure wisdom coming from the mouth of a real individual who can think original thoughts, not spout some spiritual propaganda.