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Documentary on the preaching techniques of the Hare Krishna devotees at Bhaktivedanta Manor in Lechmore Heath, near London. This is in the time when Bhagavan das was the Acharya in London and it is a nice view into life in ISKCON London during the zonal acharya days.
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Mary Fletcher 1 year agoI love how the shot went to Hayley Mills and her (ex)-boo on the words “Let’s get together”… 😂
Peace Formula 2 years agoNever seen this before. Totally mental. People were not reading Srila Prabhupada's books. We've got to know the philosophy by Krishna's mercy.- Peace Formula 2 years agoHe had some balls pretending to be a Guru and accepting all that worship and energy from those people. Crazy stuff.
He's very apologetic for what he did now and how he hurt people 
Axel Homero 4 years agoBhavagan: bhagavad gita is about humility!
also Bhagavan: accepts worship on level of found Acarya
Juan Carlos Ramchandani-Pandit Krishna Kripa Dasa 4 years agoIn 1986 both Bhagavan and Dhristadyumna fell down miserably.- thumb_up — 6
- Juan Carlos Ramchandani-Pandit Krishna Kripa Dasa 2 years ago@peaceformula5830 for good, better late than never.
- Michael Nguyen 5 years ago"December 1985: BBC television broadcast a 60-minute documentary film about the Hare Krishnas called "Persuaders." It tells the story of manipulation and influence and how elite Hare Krishna leaders persuaded celebrities to join the fold. The subject of the documentary, British punk rocker Hazel O'Connor, became involved in meeting Anna Raphael, a former professional model who was initiated by Bhagavan Das as Ritasya. Bhagavan wanted to produce the documentary and even paid for the production when it seemed as though the singer would become his disciple.
Hazel O'Connor would have made a good movie for Bhagavan, except that she and Ritasya became angry and retreated with the footage. Ritasya finished the documentary at the National Film and Television School, weaving her longing for spirituality with the practice of guru foot-bathing and institutional chauvinsim. In one remarkable scene, Bhagavan's minister (is it Dhristaduymna Swami?) berates the women about their lack of submission to male authority.
The London Times and Daily Review praised the documentary. Writing for Film and TV Technician, Bob Dunbar said, "The strained sincerity of the devotees and the complacent fascism of their leader were hilariously horrifying. The relentless insistence on the divine necessity of total humility, demanded by a hierarchy utterly devoid of that quality, resulted in unconscious self-satire almost beyond belief."
Ironically, Bhagavan blooped within a year after this film was broadcast."
Henry Doktorski, Killing for Krishna - Michael Nguyen 5 years agoMale: So you’ve been feeling little estranged
Woman: Very
M: Why do you think?
W: It seems that everything I start to try to do for you, I start to do it and then it gets either taken away or somebody comes in, or not told and everything then falls apart, and so you know it happens once, it happens twice, so you tolerate it, but its becoming just the whole pattern of everything.
M: Well the point is that there is a principle which we’re missing and that is that because you keep yourself isolated from the devotees and even with Maharaj, the ability to communicate is breaking down. See its not just the few devotees that you’re attached to. Its even Maharaj and even me, you feel that no one can understand that you’re the best one to understand you, and no one can understand you. But, if you are going to take a spiritual master then you have to at least to try to take his instruction first, almost like its axiomatic, it’s complete and it’s perfect for you. If we want to denigrate the position of the spiritual master to just someone who’s just got an opinion and he has his opinion and I have my opinion, now certainly there is some discussion. But ultimately there is Siddhanta, there is conclusion, and you always have to accept the conclusion. Just like Arjuna had to ultimately accept the conclusion of the Bhagavad Gita, so if I speak to you or some older devotee like Maharaj is speaking to you and you just refuse to accept that, then experience what it’s like and you do experience what it’s like, wheneve you just refuse to accept, you become completely disheartened, even though you’re using that independance and you’ve seen when actually you’ve succes.. you have accepted and you did it in a humble mood, and actually Krishna’s giving you success.
W: “I don’t want you think, what a [unclear].. its just like.. I want to be something. I want to do something in the world
M: But do you possibly think you’re going to possibly be able to do that without any instruction on how to do that
W: I’m always learning from you, always.
M: Listening to tapes is one thing, but when we’re talking about how to do your specific service. That’s another sort of class. And you’re attached to doing it right that you don’t check before and you don’t check after, you learn just how to check with me, or Maharaj, or others.
W: Would you get tired of checking all the time
M: Just like a cook, a cook Prabhypad said, just like a cook when he’s finished cooking, he’s supposed to go out, personally serve it himself and then after everyone takes, he’s suposed to ask if everyone enjoyed it. And if anyone had some complaint, he’s supposed to listen to it, not just do things because I cooked it and I worked hard in the kitchen therefore everyone has to like it. There has to be some preparation.
W: Well that’s easy. That’s easy
M: Well that’s all, if you could just do that you would find a big big difference, you’re making it more complicated than you have to
W: I thought it was going to..
M: Don’t you want to please the devotees?
W: Oh yeah. M: Don’t you want to me? So then, if you just go and practice a little humility and ask everyone how they thought it was, you’ll find and what more you could do if you just adopt this little humble attitude
W: But that’s [unclear]
M: But don’t you want to do it
W: I can do that
M: If you read Bhagavad Gita, the first quality of knowledge is humility.
What the hell is this conversation. This is gaslighting, narcissism and emotional manipulation. He did not listen to her concerns whatsoever and just told her it was her fault for not being submissive. Again, patriarchal misogyny.- thumb_up — 3
- Michael Nguyen 5 years agoThis is the most sociopathic conversation I have ever heard, and its drenched in fake spiritual wisdom about submission and humility. Sorry, but he doesn't know shit about the Bhagavad Gita. He's not a Sanskrit Scholar. He's literally reading a plagiarised translation which was written by Hayagriva.
- Michael Nguyen 5 years agoWhat a fucking narcissist. He just wants to be in power and adored by women, as as soon as they speak up and have a voice he starts telling them their not being submissive and they need to follow the orders of the spiritual master. Great way to keep people under your control. By using religion to manipulate people. Pure narcissistic sociopathy. But nevertheless, he is handsome and charismatic, this is propably why woman are so enamoured by his aura.
- Michael Nguyen 5 years agoThat homeless man is more spiritual than these fake monks.
"Sincere. You know the serious thing? The serious thing is that concrete beneath my bloody ass. Right? Now that is sincere. Now that is honesty. That's my only bet. I don't get stuff from no one. I don't accept it. I don't want it. I don't want no drop of soup. They get such concessions. I get nothing"
This is pure wisdom coming from the mouth of a real individual who can think original thoughts, not spout some spiritual propaganda.- thumb_up — 2
- Michael Nguyen 5 years ago"YOU serve the spiritual master, the spiritual master doesn't serve you. You have an avatar complex"
Oh get fucked, he's not a psychologist, and he's not a self-realised master. He doesn't know shit.- thumb_up — 5
- Michael Nguyen 5 years ago"Don't use that language with me. I'm not trying to 'rip off' anybody, you feel, in YOUR mind"
Krishna Cult teaches people to ignore their emotions, suppress themselves and become submissive to pedophile gurus.
Gaslighting.
I literally had a Brahmachari talk to me like this and dismiss what I said as "thoughts" and "feelings". Um, no its called being able to relate to someone and not being an asshole. - Michael Nguyen 5 years ago"You doubted my faith and integrity, that's why I went heavy on the phone"
Aka when a woman disagrees with a male, he beats her up.
Aka prabhupad saying that women like men who are expert at rape in the 4th canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam.
Chauvinism, Patriarchy and Misogyny.- thumb_up — 3
Syama Krsna Dasa 2 weeks agoPrabhupāda had old british-indian conceptions of gender, so that's that. But he got thousands to leave drugs for good, introduced a philosophy that (in its purest form) can actually hold up to scrutiny, and spent his whole life doing whatever he could to allievate global suffering.
Those comments exist, and I do not justify them. But one has to look at the effort. If you were born then, you would also have such conceptions. A guru, in nara-lila, also takes on the position of a human. He spent his whole life trying his best to be sincere, and he really was sincere. That is what matters. The 0.0001% of colonial-minded conceptions do not matter. Moreover, Prabhupāda is a special case because he belongs to the Sarasvata Parivara (or sarasvata-gaudiya splinter-sect, which has now for the most part been taken over by bickering idiots, criminals, usurpers, etc since 1977; and had historically also deviated very much), but he preached so much that it is impossible to ignore and not respect even for the people who were blanket-labelled apasampradayic by Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura and whose (original) gaudiya paramparas are now eclipsted & fading away in the face of the now-corrupt ISKCON, Gaudiya Matha, etc.
(P.S. I am neither an ISKCONite nor a Rtvik-ist. But you cannot disregard the efforts and successes and character of a man because of a few comments. By that logic, we are all demons because we are not beyond human nature either.)
Hare Krsna.
- Michael Nguyen 5 years agoThe monk at 24 minutes is so controlling and patriarchal, and using religion as a way to manipulate women into submitting to his authority. Disgusting chauvinistic behaviour of a male dressed up as a monk. Pure cosplay.
Hare Krishna - Michael Nguyen 5 years agoThese people are so nice. Promoting celibacy, teetotalling, and chanting God's name. Please don't let them get initiated by Murdhernath Swami.
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- Michael Nguyen 5 years agoIts interesting that she's wearing black eyeliner and then she chants mantras doing tilak. Its like a hybrid between 80's Goth and Krishna Cult. Loves it.
Jai Vishnu
Jai Perumal- thumb_up — 1
Bhaktisoul 5 years agoShe seemed so sincere and ready, if they could have given her proper guidance, hope she is all right, ys, Mahattama dd- Bhaktisoul 5 years agoPrthu prabhu, BB Govinda Maharaja, and so many others, some did not survived, :>(
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- Peace Formula 2 years agoPrthu was into boys and masturbation, his marriage fell apart because of it.
So called bb Govinda Swami had massages from girls and was filmed dancing to bollywood songs while in karmi clothes in front of his so called disciples.
- Bhaktisoul 5 years ago25:56 that is not very Krishna Consciousness, :>( omg such materialistic conversation after that, :>(
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- Bhaktisoul 5 years agoOf course Maharaja was going to fall down, having the association of all these important and powerful women and men, :>(
V 6 years agoShri Guru is to embody the ultimate example of humility, otherwise s/he is teaching psychological domineering, not divine surrender.
But don't just take my word for it, listen to your conscience. Of course it's good to learn from others' experience, but whatever advice they offer, if you can't feel its truth resonating from deep within your heart, I wouldn't personally trust it.
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