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Vinayak Sharma 2 months agoJust Sentiment, no logic, no siddhanta they are never serious about surrendering to a pure devotee to go btg thats why they are cheated again and again by so called "living" gurus.
They want to be cheated
SBSST said that people are cheated because they want to be cheated.
These women would choose any fake guru over prabhupada thats why they are always confused about spiritual life like thousands of others in guru camps- Vinayak Sharma 2 months agoWe have bodily identification thats why we need some body to associate with. Indeed association of senior devotees is essential but those devotees need not be a diksha guru. Association with a diksha guru is on spiritual platform which is done through Vani. One must be sincere and Srilla prabhupada as a spiritual master takes charge of his spiritual lives and his spiritual education. A conditioned soul cannot perform the function of diksha or diksha guru.
- Vinayak Sharma 2 months agoIf it was pre 1977 iskcon, These devotees would have left due to not being able to get a "personal" relationship from "living, breathing" body of Srilla prabhupada that more than 60% of early disciples never got.
Prabhupada described vani , instructions as "living" .
Other functions of being personally taking care of new devotees, correcting their mistakes is to be done by senior devotees like temple presidents etc, that is how movement was established by Srilla Prabhupada. Bodily association with devotees and spiritual association with diksha guru through Vani.
This was a pre 77 system and can also be followed after srilla Prabhupadas disappearance through ritvik system. 
Clive Adlam 3 months agoShows you are a fool in the first place, to think , they are guru ."A sin to cheat , but also a sin, to allow yourself to be cheated."( Prabhupada).Iskcon is full of sinners .😊
Gratefulness 10 months agothink about future of iskcon diksha system ,, will there be any guru eligibile for giving diksha in iskcon with kaliyuga showing its effect with time,,, we can see nowadays gbc made gurus are falling down,, many cases are there in iskcon website news section,,
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andrew lampitt 1 year agoSo lets get this right , what iskcon is saying is that the only way a second generation devotee can stick to Srila Prabhupada in iskcon is if your ''guru'' falls down is it , really !!!! . Gambling is against the principles but now in iskcon for a second generation devotee accepting a guru is a gamble is it, since 50% of all these two thirds majority no objection voted in gurus have fallen down and yet there are others who have fallen from the standards mostly due to sexual deviation including child abuse and child molestation who still operate as guru's in iskcon , and lets not forget iskcon does operate a ''re-initiation'' policy . Bottom line -this guru successor system is a scam .- thumb_up — 1
Shashwat Shukla 1 year agoWhy be entrapped by these nonsense when Srila Prabhupada himself gave a "Directive of july 09 1977". just follow that, self made or elected so called gurus can not take you back home to godhead.- thumb_up — 1
Davide Dotto 1 year agoRepeated words in Parrot, who follow the line of Samadhi of Iskon Post by SP ....... an attempt to rationalize and compensate for the deficiencies of a fake leadership, of Guru
corrupt and an unsuitable GBC
KRISHNAA BREAKING NEWS 2 years agoYes. Correct. The Fake ISKCON Guru Clowns were indeed giving DICKSHA
Nirjharneel 2 years agoWe should accept Srila Prabhupada as our spiritual master and read his books and follow his instructions nicely.
Srila Prabhupada is the only guru🙏
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Govinda Charana Das 2 years agoDear Mathajis, glad to see you adapted Indian culture, Sanatana Dharma😊. All blessings of Lord Chaitanya upon all of you.
I request you to study our scriptures with scrutiny, is there any genuine spiritual master fell down in the history? That has never happened, and it will never happen. If so are these so-called Gurus were really authorised to act as Gurus?
Please study on these topics. Carry out a detailed research and understand the facts.- thumb_up — 1
lenny108 2 years agoIf a priest of the church deviates and falls down it is not an issue, Christians do not worship priests. The fallen priest is replaced. When in the Hare Krishna religion a guru falls down this is a completely different issue. The guru is seen as the direct representative of God, transparent via media to God, God speaks through the guru. The guru demands to be worshiped as good as God. When a Hare Krishna guru turns out to be a charlatan it makes the whole movement look like a criminal bogus organization.- thumb_up — 3
Marie Bentz 2 years ago“Divya jnana hrde prokasito. What is that divya jnana? This is divya jnana. Diksa. Diksa means from this divya jnana”.
(Srila Prabhupada lecture 11/7/76)
So from this statement we must conclude that Prabhupada is the only diksa guru for ISKCON since he’s the one who brought the jnana, not the other ISKCON gurus who came after him. They just repeat the jnana that he brought and even changed his books. Prabhupada also says in his letters that a bonafide guru is a pure uttama-adhikari devotee and cannot fall down at that stage. The fallen gurus were not at that level, that’s why they fell obviously.- thumb_up — 1
- Marie Bentz 2 years agoSorry I meant Diksha means the guru who brought the knowledge (Divya-jnan) to the West-for ISKCON that was none other than Pranhupada (ki Jai!)❤️
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- Marie Bentz 2 years agoDish’s means the one who brought the knowledge, Divya-jnan, this was Prabhupada because none of the other ISKCON gurus brought this-it was Prabhupada. So to say he’s not the Diksha guru for ISKCON is a huge offense at his lotus feet; and to say we cannot accept him as our Diksha guru is nonsense. None of these other ISKCON gurus can replace him, never!You young generations of devotees have been falsely conditioned by the false guru system, I heard this in this video with my own ears when you said we cannot accept initiation by Prabhupada through a ritvik guru-but Prabhupada is everybody’s guru-he’s more so than all the other ones put together! ❤❤❤
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Bartek Bieroński 2 years agoAll of this topic is explained in Sri Jaiva Dharma. If your diksa guru fall into materialism again etc. Everything is explained there. Humble dandavats to all dicent people who follow Gaudiya Vaishnava school.
taalofaa 2 years agoIF>.........?
All of the original eleven self to self appointed gurus have fallen already.. One disciple left the mvmt in disgust as he should have. IMHO Hanuman would have been Prabupada's successor or Iskcon chief. I had a little more faith in Hridai until he finally came out of his closet defective. All the original 11 were/are defective and as well their disciples following are thus wounded. Changing Prabupadas books did not help either. Kali Yuga is so powerful- thumb_up — 6
Thomas Garden 2 years agoWhat a silly girl! "not just a relationship with a book". I am Srila Prabhupada's disciple. I spoke with him one time, one sentence. Your statement is naive and impersonal and untrue. I recommend we all follow Srila Prabhupada, and that means by initiation by ritvik, more than that, it means following HIS instructions, not those of globalists and assassins.- thumb_up — 6
Krishna Tube 2 years agoIt is not really the girls fault. They have just come out of the official ISKCON guru seminar, and they are just repeating what ISKCON has taught them, "Prabhupada is dead, you need a living guru." That is the ISKCON "Guru Tattva" and if you don't accept it you can't be in ISKCON.- thumb_up — 6
- Thomas Garden 2 years agoGlobalist demon forces eliminated Srila Prabhupada. Now, a gooroo franchise is expanding among those who are naively innocent. Go back to Iskcon as Srila Prabupada dreated it, dump these bogus nonsenses.
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- Nirjharneel 2 years agoyes true prabhu and that is why we should accept Srila Prabhupada as our spiritual master and read his books and follow his instructions nicely.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada🙏 
Rama Kisora Dasa 2 years ago@Nirjharneelsastra clearly states you must take Diksa from a guru living on the planet
Praveena Krishna Dasa 1 year ago@ramakisoradasa5814 That's may be true to outside world not in ISKCON prabhu.
Achyuta Nanda 1 year ago@ramakisoradasa5814 In which shastra is there a provision for a global GBC? None. Its is Srila Bhaktisiddanta Saraswati Thakur's contribution, which Srila Prabhupada has subscribed to and it is followed in ISKCON too. Acharyas orders are shastras themselves. Let's not be selective and folllow what suits our agenda.- Vinayak Sharma 2 months ago@NirjharneelIn which shastra it is said that puss blood stool amd urine is a guru not Vani? If prabhupada described teachings as his body then we have to accept vani as a living diksha guru.
Rob Jarvis 2 years agoIt must be really difficult for young women to remain engaged in truly meaningful spiritual activity 24/7 in this increasingly challenging and totally fallen era.- thumb_up — 2
- taalofaa 2 years agoI have met few to zero ISKCON women who were in the end more than preaching with one face living with a differing one while pretending neither was who she really is.
All we as a group can do is chant and share krishna prema..........from a safe distance- thumb_up — 1
Jed Steelwell 2 years agoOnly one true spiritual master and that's Prabhupad these old white dudes ain't it.- thumb_up — 1
Aksaya 2 years agoAGTSP PAMHO It is a delicate topic and it is very easy to give an opinion when you have everything in your favor. Anyone who has experienced it knows that it is best to think that one is going through a great test and must adhere to the practice and instructions. You should wish your guru the best and carry everything you learned in your heart. I repeat, it is a VERY difficult situation but by finding the right devotees, they show us again that Srila Prabhupad will always be there, for every aspect we need, whoever you are, wherever you come from.🙏- thumb_up — 2
Prabhupada soldier 2 years agoSrila Prabhupada sees your anarthas and can tell you what they are. If we think Srila Prabhupada is dead, but, he tells us he will never die, then we are not following Srila Prabhupada. Do you want guidance from Srila Prabhupada, the one who will never fall down? He gives guidance in his books. i open one of his books and almost immediately, i see my anarthas clearly and loudly. He knows what your arnathas are and tells you on every page of hie holy books! He said i have given you everything, but do you want to believe him? or do you want to take a chance by taking a Russian Roulette guru? i know one devotee who took initiation 5 different times in ISKCON, you ever heard of that saying that if we keep doing the same insane thing over and over but expect a different result but keep getting the same results...then maybe we are insane? Srila Prabhupada left a legal document 6/9/77 stating how he wanted initiations to go on hence forward. That was that he appointed 11 Ritvik Gurus. And it was to be sent to all Temple presidents, but they did not send it out, they hid it and it was found at the Berkeley temple 20 years latter hidden in a locked safe. you can find it on vedabase. It was his last will, so you can not say that before he said that anyone would be diksa guru when his last will was that they could not be. Not unless he personally appointed them. Which he did not and there has never been any proof that he appointed anyone to be diksa guru. We have been waiting for 50 years for anyone to show legal proof that he did, and all we have is this legal document where he appointed the 11 as Ritvik, and they all disobeyed Srila Prabhupada saying that that letter made them diksa. So all of them fell down, two lost their heads, most got into drugs and alcohol, illicit affairs, stealing Srila Prabhupada's assets and changing the words of Srila Prabhupada in mass aparad to his holy works. TIME TO WAKE UP Prabhus!!!!- thumb_up — 15
Ziggy Schumann 2 years ago" Real " guru NEVER falls down, according to Srila Prabhupada Maharaja.- thumb_up — 36
- Ziggy Schumann 2 years ago@vrindavanmaargi Hare Krishna prabhu. I took birth in Germany and was blessed to see Srila Prabhupada for the first time in N.Y. 1973 and was accepted as His disciple in Jan. 1977. How such a wretched soul like myself was accepted by Srila Prabhupada Maharaja is only due to His unlimited mercy, . 🙏
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- Nirjharneel 2 years agotrue prabhu and that is why we should accept Srila Prabhupada as our spiritual master and read his books and follow his instructions nicely.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada🙏- thumb_up — 1
- Ziggy Schumann 2 years ago@Nirjharneel Jaya prabhu. Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada Maharaja !
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